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| daegga Tetraglot Senior Member Austria lang-8.com/553301 Joined 4519 days ago 1076 posts - 1792 votes  Speaks: German*, EnglishC2, Swedish, Norwegian Studies: Danish, French, Finnish, Icelandic | Message 257 of 312 15 June 2015 at 2:56am | IP Logged | ||
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leti leti leti balon (jaaaa)
leti leti leti avion (jaaaa) leti leti leti kamion (neeee) ti si moj bonbon Thanks for stupid lines I can actually understand without looking the words up. I'm not sure how this goes in English, but in German it must be something like: Es fliegt, es fliegt, es fliegt ein Ballon. Es fliegt, es fliegt, es fliegt ein Flugzeug. Es fliegt, es fliegt, es fliegt ein Lastwagen. Thanks French and old child games. Ok, the last line is tricky. moj bonbon = my bonbon Even though I understand that "ti" must have something to do with "you" (du), I need the dictionary here. It says: ti si = to you (dir) [edit: I misread, only "si" would be the dative pronoun, "ti si" means something else, see below] Dir mein Bonbon. Not sure about Slovenian, but for example in Russian you leave out the copula. This would give us: Dir ist mein Bonbon. This is comprehensible, but very very old fashioned in German. It probably makes more sense in Icelandic: Þér er "bonbon" minn. I'm still not sure of the implications. Do you need to "pay" a bonbon when you get it wrong in Slovenia? Oh wait ... "si" IS the copula then it's: Du bist mein Bonbon. Makes more sense now :) I should learn how to decline "biti" ... Edited by daegga on 15 June 2015 at 3:18am 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| nikolic993 Diglot Senior Member Yugoslavia Joined 3778 days ago 106 posts - 205 votes Speaks: Serbian*, English Studies: Italian, Mandarin, Romanian, Persian | Message 258 of 312 15 June 2015 at 3:17am | IP Logged | ||
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"ti si" actually means "you are". You are my "candy". It's like saying "You're my cutie pie" in English. :)
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| daegga Tetraglot Senior Member Austria lang-8.com/553301 Joined 4519 days ago 1076 posts - 1792 votes Speaks: German*, EnglishC2, Swedish, Norwegian Studies: Danish, French, Finnish, Icelandic | Message 259 of 312 15 June 2015 at 3:26am | IP Logged | ||
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It definitely makes more sense this way, but somehow the nerd in me would have preferred
an impersonal dative construction here :D 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| daegga Tetraglot Senior Member Austria lang-8.com/553301 Joined 4519 days ago 1076 posts - 1792 votes Speaks: German*, EnglishC2, Swedish, Norwegian Studies: Danish, French, Finnish, Icelandic | Message 260 of 312 15 June 2015 at 4:41am | IP Logged | ||
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This is great fun, I continue..
leti leti leti galeb (jaaa) [final devoicing - tricky] leti leti leti kornet (neee) leti leti leti sladoled (neee) [again! - but here it seemed to be silent] ti si ves moj svet The last line was again tricky - this time to hear. I first understood "ti si moj smoj svet" as I was primed by the previous verse and the schwa doesn't make it any easier (because it's hard to notice). I could obviously not find "smoj" in the dictionary, but "svet" was easy to find. What was obviously missing was the right spelling for a word with the meaning of "whole, total". Tokenizing in Slovene isn't so easy either... What is a "galeb"? Something flying! I looked it up - "gull" might be useful as a memory hook. With German "Möwe" it isn't obvious. By the way "gull probably from Brythonic Celtic; compare Welsh gwylan, Cornish guilan, Breton goelann". The proper English word is "mew". kornet ... if I had understood it correctly from the beginning, this would've been easy - Cornetto sladoled ... I only know it must be some kind of non-flying "dessert" (sladica). So we have something with "slad-" and then there is "led". The dictionary just says sladoled = Eis, but this is actually ambiguous in German. So further investigation - actually led = ice, so sladoled = sweet/dessert ice = ice cream. Makes sense with the "kornet". Slovenian always seemed very easy as far as listening comprehension goes - but actually transcribing words is still rather challenging. Without a dictionary to confirm my guesses, I would be lost - especially with things like final devoicing (or generally voicing thanks to assimilations), but also when it comes to word borders. All those little things make me wonder if big parts of listening comprehension isn't just making predictions - what I hear depends on what I expect to hear. So prediction first instead of just disambiguating an ambiguous stream of waves. Edited by daegga on 15 June 2015 at 2:05pm 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| daegga Tetraglot Senior Member Austria lang-8.com/553301 Joined 4519 days ago 1076 posts - 1792 votes Speaks: German*, EnglishC2, Swedish, Norwegian Studies: Danish, French, Finnish, Icelandic | Message 261 of 312 15 June 2015 at 7:25pm | IP Logged | ||
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slovenyyyja - does she protrude her i? he doesn't
https://www.youtube.com/watch? v=DDcqeYz3Oos if you don't have a rounded phoneme here, you probably get away with a bigger range of different pronunciations... Edited by daegga on 15 June 2015 at 7:30pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
 Iversen Super Polyglot Moderator Denmark berejst.dk Joined 6701 days ago 9078 posts - 16473 votes Speaks: Danish*, French, English, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Dutch, Swedish, Esperanto, Romanian, Catalan Studies: Afrikaans, Greek, Norwegian, Russian, Serbian, Icelandic, Latin, Irish, Lowland Scots, Indonesian, Polish, Croatian Personal Language Map | Message 262 of 312 16 June 2015 at 3:49pm | IP Logged | ||
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"Sladoled" was probably the third Serbo/Croate/Slovene word I learnt ("dobar dan") being the two first.
I thoroughly enjoyed the passage caused by (rather than explaining) the word "galeb" 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| daegga Tetraglot Senior Member Austria lang-8.com/553301 Joined 4519 days ago 1076 posts - 1792 votes Speaks: German*, EnglishC2, Swedish, Norwegian Studies: Danish, French, Finnish, Icelandic | Message 263 of 312 16 June 2015 at 6:33pm | IP Logged | ||
I was trying to find out if there was any kind of connection between them - maybe some Romance loan I didn't know about. The Celtic part was interesting because the Balkans were at least partly Celtic once. Interesting, but probably highly irrelevant (ga = quak seems like a more likely source). 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| daegga Tetraglot Senior Member Austria lang-8.com/553301 Joined 4519 days ago 1076 posts - 1792 votes Speaks: German*, EnglishC2, Swedish, Norwegian Studies: Danish, French, Finnish, Icelandic | Message 264 of 312 16 June 2015 at 10:33pm | IP Logged | ||
source Funny that journalists comment on this, it's social media, good morning... Edited by daegga on 16 June 2015 at 10:34pm 1 person has voted this message useful |
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