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| napoleon Tetraglot Senior Member India Joined 5014 days ago 543 posts - 874 votes  Speaks: Bengali*, English, Hindi, Urdu Studies: French, Arabic (Written) | Message 177 of 439 18 March 2014 at 8:50am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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It's wonderful that you've made such progress with FSI French. Reading your log was inspiring! :-)
You're doing unit 5 while I am still stuck at unit 4. I'll have to put my nose on the grindstone lest I fall behind. :-) Bonne chance et bon apprentissage! 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| luke Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 7203 days ago 3133 posts - 4351 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Esperanto, French | Message 178 of 439 19 March 2014 at 1:16am | IP Logged | ||||||||
Merci bien monsieur. I hadn't thought of my log as inspiring, but upon reflection, I remember that we language learners are very colorful in our word selection. It is nice to hear feedback. I had begun to think the microphone wasn't turned in this channel. If anyone has an ftp server, I have an ftp client and would be happy to upload the FSI Basic French dialogues that I've extracted and given some Audacity treatment. Those are of course public domain. The dialogues are helpful because so many of the lexical drills are based upon them. Years ago when I called this thread "Learning French Fast", I had the idea of getting the dialogues down before doing the rest of the course. I've tempered that idea a bit, but have listened ahead through them all and believe knowing them well before the lesson starts will pay dividends as the lessons roll around. Edited by luke on 19 March 2014 at 1:17am 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| napoleon Tetraglot Senior Member India Joined 5014 days ago 543 posts - 874 votes Speaks: Bengali*, English, Hindi, Urdu Studies: French, Arabic (Written) | Message 179 of 439 19 March 2014 at 6:17am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Je vous en prie. :-)
It's uncannily funny how I had the same idea about extracting the dialogues. I have already extracted the dialogues from the first four units. I usually play the dialogue on a loop which I then shadow till I learn it by heart. Knowing the dialogue well helps with the drills later, especially during the "questions on the dialogue". Anyway, you could upload the files on archive.com. FSI is in the pubic domain anyway so it should be alright. :-) Vous êtes notre avant-garde maintenant! Explorez bien les exercices du FSI. Nous ne sommes pas très loin. :-) Edited by napoleon on 19 March 2014 at 6:26am 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| luke Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 7203 days ago 3133 posts - 4351 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Esperanto, French | Message 180 of 439 19 March 2014 at 8:35am | IP Logged | ||||||||
Excellent point.
I have no fear on the public domain front. What I was hoping for is someone who has an ftp site that shares a directory via http. That makes it easy to share and retrieve files.
Je ne suis pas tres compétitif. Je suis plus coopératif. Ce n'est pas évident? I'm not really competitive. I'm more cooperative, even if my net personality doesn't make that obvious. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| napoleon Tetraglot Senior Member India Joined 5014 days ago 543 posts - 874 votes Speaks: Bengali*, English, Hindi, Urdu Studies: French, Arabic (Written) | Message 181 of 439 19 March 2014 at 8:49am | IP Logged | ||||||||
Alors, on marchera ensemble. :-) Edit: Archive.com hosts files in virtual directories. It's not like a regular file sharing service at all. There are no captchas. No long waits. You can even link directly to your files. Plus it's unlikely that archive.com site will go offline, like the recent crisis at fsi language courses. :-) This was just a suggestion. Upload them on FTP, if you prefer. :-) Have a great day! :-) Edited by napoleon on 19 March 2014 at 9:09am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Jeffers Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4907 days ago 2151 posts - 3960 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Hindi, Ancient Greek, French, Sanskrit, German | Message 182 of 439 19 March 2014 at 12:40pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Everyone has their own preferred method of working on courses, but I'm not sure this is
a very good idea:
For me, the real learning activity in FSI comes when you are working on the drills. They are definitely hard, but it is hard work that engages the brain, which makes the learning memorable. I find that after working on the drills, I can go back to the dialogue and it is much easier. But if you make the drills easier, in a way you might be cheating yourself out of the greatest strength of FSI. I do like your idea of separating out the dialogue, because the dialogues contain a lot of useful language. But I would prefer to use that as revision after completing the lessons. I don't want to discourage you from working in a way that keeps you motivated, but I thought I'd share a different perspective. And as a counter-point to myself: I think the FSI course writers expect their students to memorize the dialogues. I guess this is probably done before completing the drills, so your idea may be a good substitute for memorizing. 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Mohave Senior Member United States justpaste.it/Mohave1 Joined 4005 days ago 291 posts - 444 votes Speaks: English* Studies: French | Message 183 of 439 19 March 2014 at 5:31pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
I don't have access to an FTP server, but if you are able to find one to upload the files, I would be very interested in having a copy. I am working my way thru Assimil Using French, but after I finish, I plan to start FSI... Thank you so much for your willingness to share! 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| luke Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 7203 days ago 3133 posts - 4351 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Esperanto, French | Message 184 of 439 19 March 2014 at 7:37pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
I wouldn't think of it as cheating. The goal of the FSI drills is automaticity, meaning do them correctly and effortlessly. If I think about the scenario in which the responses to a drill would make sense, and I can respond easily without much thought, I feel I've achieved the goal of the exercise. For instance, if the drill is: Q: Do you have some/the xxxxx? R: Yes, I have an/the xxxxx. And I mentally imagine I'm in a situation where someone wants to know if I have certain things, and the position I take is, "Yes, we have one", and I imagine having one of the things, then I'm golden. Or, if the drills is: Q: Do you have N yyyyys? R: No, I have N+1 yyyyys. I can imagine being in a one-upmanship with the questioner. Again, the goal is to think about the object, voitures, chats, etc. This might sound obvious, but one can do some of the drills by just understanding the pattern and going into robot mode without thinking. That's better than nothing, but not the goal. Imagining a scenario for the drill makes it more fun. The more absurd the scenario, the better. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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