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| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6598 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes  4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 265 of 438 23 May 2014 at 5:10am | IP Logged | |||||
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What kind of texts/sentences does it use? I think I could improve a lot with just something like Teach Yourself, but I just find this stuff insanely boring :( And for now I'm more worried about not having the correct picture even in my head than not being able to pronounce.
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| AlOlaf Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 5149 days ago 491 posts - 617 votes Speaks: English*, GermanC2 Studies: Danish | Message 266 of 438 23 May 2014 at 7:52am | IP Logged | |||||
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Each lesson is a narrative describing some everyday situation or happenstance (often involving people from places like Iran and Pakistan), short enough to fit on one page. The speaker reads a line and it’s followed by a pause, the line is read again with another pause, then on to the next line. The lines are short and they’re read slowly, but they don’t sound artificial, like the audio of most of the popular self-learn courses I’ve tried.
Each lesson focuses on a specific feature of the pronunciation, such as how many different sounds a single vowel can have. The text for each lesson is printed twice, first naked, and then again on the back side with markers to indicate stress, length, stød, sentence melody and to draw attention to whatever vowel, consonant, or phonological aspect is being emphasized in that lesson. It also shows which letters don’t get pronounced, which is helpful, though I don’t always find this to be in agreement with what I hear on the recording. There are also lots of comments and tips (everything’s in Danish). The biggest drawback for me is that all the pauses are much too long. The only way I can do the repeat-after thing is if it goes bam-bam-bam. I can’t stand to sit there and wait for the replay utterance to come along while my auditory memory of the thing dissipates. I figured out a way to edit the recording, but it wasn’t easy, since the cd will only play on a pc and I can’t get Audacity to work on the Windows 7 of my laptop. There’s also another, more advanced course by the same author (Lisbet Thorborg) called “Dansk udtale i 49 tekster” and I got it, too, but it looks like I’ll be busy with this beginner’s one for quite some time. Oh, and there’s some kind of companion practice book called “Dansk udtale-øvebog”, which I also ordered, but haven’t received yet. I’m really curious to find out what that might be. Edited by AlOlaf on 23 May 2014 at 7:56am 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| 1e4e6 Octoglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4291 days ago 1013 posts - 1588 votes Speaks: English*, French, Spanish, Portuguese, Norwegian, Dutch, Swedish, Italian Studies: German, Danish, Russian, Catalan | Message 267 of 438 23 May 2014 at 9:08am | IP Logged | |||||
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Is something like Danish: A Comprehensive
Grammar good for a beginner? 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6598 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 268 of 438 23 May 2014 at 7:01pm | IP Logged | |||||
Which specific courses sound artificial to you? Have you tried, for example, "Deutsch? Warum nicht!" or Assimil? Also, the thread about introversion made me realize that what specifically annoys me is listening to other people's small talk. I can barely stand my own, lol. But many thanks for your review! 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| AlOlaf Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 5149 days ago 491 posts - 617 votes Speaks: English*, GermanC2 Studies: Danish | Message 269 of 438 24 May 2014 at 12:43am | IP Logged | |||||
You’re welcome. I meant Danish self-learn courses in particular. I’ve worked with “Colloquial Dänish”, “Beginner’s Danish”, Assimil’s “Dänisch ohne Mühe”, “Lextra Dänisch” (the German version of Teach Yourself) and Langenscheidt’s “Dänisch mit System”, and the audio in all of them sounds artificial to me compared to the audio in “Dansk udtale for begyndere”. I know that when you speak slowly so a beginner can understand, it’s not going to sound the same as it would if you were speaking at normal speed. But this new course just sounds more natural to me than the ones I listed, more like the way they talk in the Danish movies I’ve been watching, even though the text is spoken slowly, just like it is in the others. This one somehow manages to demonstrate the unique characteristics of rapid Danish speech, like the dropping of consonants and vowels and the slurring of words together, at a slow enough speed to allow someone like me to get it, but without sounding stiff or mechanical. Maybe it’s the skill of the speakers. The audio in a few other Danish self-learn courses sounds natural to me, too, and they’re all German: “Vi snakkes ved!”, “Dänisch neu” and “Av, min arm!”. But they don’t put the pronunciation under a microscope like “Dansk udtale for begyndere” does. That’s what I was looking for.
I guess so. I’ve got it, but I haven’t used it much. It’s got all kinds of information, but I have a hard time finding what I’m looking for in it. I mostly use Hueber’s “Dänisch Kurzgrammatik”, which is superb, but it’s in German. It would be great if there were an English equivalent, but I don’t know of one. Edited by AlOlaf on 24 May 2014 at 1:41am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| 1e4e6 Octoglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4291 days ago 1013 posts - 1588 votes Speaks: English*, French, Spanish, Portuguese, Norwegian, Dutch, Swedish, Italian Studies: German, Danish, Russian, Catalan | Message 270 of 438 24 May 2014 at 3:11am | IP Logged | |||||
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That udtale course costs thorborg_haeftet_9788791909030">339,95DKK, which is a bit expensive..
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| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6598 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 271 of 438 24 May 2014 at 6:04am | IP Logged | |||||
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It's available in Uzbekistan too ;)
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 jeff_lindqvist Diglot Moderator SwedenRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6910 days ago 4250 posts - 5711 votes Speaks: Swedish*, English Studies: German, Spanish, Russian, Dutch, Mandarin, Esperanto, Irish, French Personal Language Map | Message 272 of 438 24 May 2014 at 3:42pm | IP Logged | |||||
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What was this month's challenge again? Alright, do something for one week. With just one week left, the easiest thing would be do listen to my Danish radio drama each day and maybe read something in Norwegian. I will be out of town the following Tuesday and part of Wednesday, so I'm not sure which of the activities are more likely.
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