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Gemuse Senior Member Germany Joined 4086 days ago 818 posts - 1189 votes Speaks: English Studies: German
| Message 177 of 197 05 March 2014 at 7:16pm | IP Logged |
Lykeio wrote:
I'm quite aware of what Hindu originally meant. I'm
sure you're also aware that for over a century now the term has been strictly
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Says who????
Lykeio wrote:
A Sikh or a Jain will not take well to being called Hindu. |
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Stop inserting strife in the Indian community. Talk to Sikhs and Jains, and explain
what context you are using in, and see whether they would be offended.
Lykeio wrote:
Two of the best Sanskritists I know are of Muslim heritage (I don't
know their practicing status). Pound for pound with a better understanding of ancient
India than any pandit. How do you think they would have faired in India?
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Given that one of the past PRESIDENTS of India has been a Muslim, they would have fared
just fine.
Lykeio wrote:
Right. It's not the left wing smashing mosques and killing Muslim families in riots,
shamefully common occurrences in modern India. |
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Stop spreading propaganda. It is not a common occurrence. How many mosques have been
smashed? There is indeed communal violence, but both sides get hit. Its not like there
is a genocide going on (the Muslim % of the Indian population has been increasing.
Lykeio wrote:
It's not the left wing foisting shite on
schools about how the Vedas are 30,000 years old and the Ramyana contains nuclear
warfare and the Mahabharata evidence of test tube babies. |
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Granted, there are some right wing nutjobs. I never claimed all right wingers were
sane. Your logic is similar to "well some men commit crimes, men are thus the problem
with the human race; all men are bad".
Lykeio wrote:
It's not the left wing
banning history books because they don't like what they say, no matter how well argued.
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False. The left wing has banned books. Worse, they have WRITTEN the books deprecating
Hindu culture, hiding the true violent history of India, and in general giving an
inferiority complex to Hindus.
Lykeio wrote:
On the other hand given the
increasingly evil treatment of these people in India I can see why it was argued for.
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Increasingly evil treatment? Right, thats why many of the top movie stars, top music
composers, sportsmen, the freakin President have been Muslim.
I never said no Muslim has been treated unfairly by non-Muslim Hindus. The converse
also holds true: Some non-Muslim Hindus has been treated unfairly by Muslims.
Go live in the country for a few years before spewing leftwing anti-Hindu propaganda.
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| ScottScheule Diglot Senior Member United States scheule.blogspot.com Joined 5232 days ago 645 posts - 1176 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Latin, Hungarian, Biblical Hebrew, Old English, Russian, Swedish, German, Italian, French
| Message 178 of 197 05 March 2014 at 7:40pm | IP Logged |
Folks, these are important issues, but perhaps we can agree this isn't the place to debate them.
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| Gemuse Senior Member Germany Joined 4086 days ago 818 posts - 1189 votes Speaks: English Studies: German
| Message 179 of 197 05 March 2014 at 7:47pm | IP Logged |
^^ I agree, but I'm not the one who started with the accusations....
Edited by Gemuse on 05 March 2014 at 7:47pm
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| Luso Hexaglot Senior Member Portugal Joined 6065 days ago 819 posts - 1812 votes Speaks: Portuguese*, French, EnglishC2, GermanB1, Italian, Spanish Studies: Sanskrit, Arabic (classical)
| Message 180 of 197 06 March 2014 at 2:56am | IP Logged |
ScottScheule wrote:
Folks, these are important issues, but perhaps we can agree this isn't the place to debate them. |
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I'd normally agree with you, but it seems that in this case the debate is answering the original question, strange as it may seem.
Sometimes the tone of the accusations has gone a bit overboard, but this only happens because there's a discussion between a native and a non-native.
As a rule, I think non-natives should be especially tactful when addressing these issues, no matter the level of formal knowledge they may have.
That having been said, it's also good to have an external opinion. Outsiders tend to have a less biased take on things.
Edited by Luso on 06 March 2014 at 3:08am
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| napoleon Tetraglot Senior Member India Joined 5020 days ago 543 posts - 874 votes Speaks: Bengali*, English, Hindi, Urdu Studies: French, Arabic (Written)
| Message 181 of 197 06 March 2014 at 5:42am | IP Logged |
Luso wrote:
Outsiders tend to have a less biased take on things. |
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This is not always true.
I throw at you Edward Said's book Orientalism which shows how the biases of Outsiders influence their "take on things". :-) LOL
Peace!
Edited by napoleon on 06 March 2014 at 5:57am
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| Lugubert Heptaglot Senior Member Sweden Joined 6871 days ago 186 posts - 235 votes Speaks: Swedish*, Danish, Norwegian, EnglishC2, German, Dutch, French Studies: Mandarin, Hindi
| Message 182 of 197 06 March 2014 at 8:03am | IP Logged |
Gemuse wrote:
It is not a common occurrence. How many mosques have been
smashed? There is indeed communal violence, but both sides get hit. |
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Also, communal violence isn't everywhere. It's hard for a foreigner to judge if violence or peace is more common, but as an anecdote:
I studied Hindi for a month in Mussoorie. When I walked from the school to the town centre, I passed two Christian churches (of different denominations), one mosque, one Tibetan meeting place, one gurdwara, one Hindu temple, and what might be a Jain shrine. Always calm and friendly atmosphere everywhere; no sign of adversity.
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| Jeffers Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4913 days ago 2151 posts - 3960 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Hindi, Ancient Greek, French, Sanskrit, German
| Message 183 of 197 06 March 2014 at 8:10am | IP Logged |
Lugubert wrote:
Gemuse wrote:
It is not a common occurrence. How many mosques have been
smashed? There is indeed communal violence, but both sides get hit. |
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Also, communal violence isn't everywhere. It's hard for a foreigner to judge if violence or peace is more common, but as an anecdote:
I studied Hindi for a month in Mussoorie. When I walked from the school to the town centre, I passed two Christian churches (of different denominations), one mosque, one Tibetan meeting place, one gurdwara, one Hindu temple, and what might be a Jain shrine. Always calm and friendly atmosphere everywhere; no sign of adversity. |
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Landour Language School? Very nice!
But you obviously weren't there in 1985. Even the most peaceful of places have been touched by communalism.
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| Lugubert Heptaglot Senior Member Sweden Joined 6871 days ago 186 posts - 235 votes Speaks: Swedish*, Danish, Norwegian, EnglishC2, German, Dutch, French Studies: Mandarin, Hindi
| Message 184 of 197 06 March 2014 at 8:30am | IP Logged |
Jeffers wrote:
Landour Language School? Very nice!
But you obviously weren't there in 1985. Even the most peaceful of places have been touched by communalism. |
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Yes, Landour, April 2003.
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