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| kraemder Senior Member United StatesRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4977 days ago 1497 posts - 1648 votes  Speaks: English* Studies: German, Spanish, Japanese | Message 1433 of 1702 21 July 2014 at 12:02am | IP Logged | |||||
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Thanks Evita. I saw the Talk to Me in Korean website and their website is aesthetically really nice. Really nice. I didn't see the PDF files though but I did now that I knew they were there. I still like the other site better for making flashcards but I'm gonna use both sites.
I don't suppose there's an equivalent to Rikai-Sama for Korean? I don't see Japanese on your list of languages. Rikai-sama is the best dictionary app ever created in the history of learning. It draws upon a huge (free) dictionary online for vocab and kanji which in itself is awesome but it also links up with a database of native speaker recorded words for most of this vocabulary. And you can easily save words with the definitions and native audio to put into your flashcard app. The fact they let you save the native speaker audio blows my mind. Anything like this for Korean? I'm still looking but I suspect any dictionary I find might have native audio but wouldn't be setup so I could save it to my computer.. (I'd have to record it or 'rip' it if I wanted to).. It's sad how I'm still working on learning how to say please and thank you and hello. Granted, I started learning just yesterday but if I could make my brain learn just three words and save the rest for later that'd be it.. Anything more than two syllables hasn't been able to stick yet though. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| dampingwire Bilingual Triglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4458 days ago 1185 posts - 1513 votes Speaks: English*, Italian*, French Studies: Japanese | Message 1434 of 1702 21 July 2014 at 12:06am | IP Logged | |||||
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Good luck with the Korean.
I remember before I decide to settle on Japanese that Korean was another one I looked at. The wiring system looks to be very interesting. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| vonPeterhof Tetraglot Senior Member Russian FederationRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4565 days ago 715 posts - 1527 votes Speaks: Russian*, EnglishC2, Japanese, German Studies: Kazakh, Korean, Norwegian, Turkish | Message 1435 of 1702 21 July 2014 at 5:58am | IP Logged | |||||
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| Evita Tetraglot Senior Member Latvia learnlatvian.info Joined 6345 days ago 734 posts - 1036 votes Speaks: Latvian*, English, German, Russian Studies: Korean, Finnish | Message 1436 of 1702 21 July 2014 at 7:28am | IP Logged | |||||
The biggest Korean dictionaries are the Naver and Daum dictionaries, you can google them. But - they are primarily meant for Koreans who study English so all the audio on these dictionaries is in English. The only pop-up dictionary I have found is an extension to Chrome, it's called "네이버/다음사전 (Korean Dictionary)". By the way, 네이버 is how they spell "Naver" in Korean. They don't have the letter "v" so they use "p" instead.
You're not alone in that. In my first attempt at Korean, I only learned how to say these phrases from TTMIK and "yes" and "this is, that is" and it was already too difficult for me. I dropped Korean for 8 months before deciding to pick it up again. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| kraemder Senior Member United StatesRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4977 days ago 1497 posts - 1648 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German, Spanish, Japanese | Message 1437 of 1702 22 July 2014 at 3:23am | IP Logged | |||||
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I remembered that japanesepod101 had a nice list of vocab with audio and pictures for Japanese so I checked out koreanclass101 and it's got the same thing. I'm a bit more savvy at ripping pics and audio into my flashcard app now so I've got some really nice flashcards... I've copied vocabulary 1 to 50 so far. I'm trying to build myself up to production and being able to write the answer in the Korean alphabet. Needless to say I'm spending quite a bit of time on this.. and it's going very slow.
I still got plenty of Japanese in yesterday too. I'll probably get some more in today also. They say you can learn new vocabulary more easily at an intermediate level than beginner etc. My god this is so true. I thought I stank at remembering Japanese words. I might but I'm 100X worse at remembering Korean. I hope it gets better as I get more used to the sounds. They seem to have a lot of sounds for "O" and "E" and combining them.. and other vowels. The vowels are much more annoying than Japanese. So are the consonants. In the above post Evita says.. 네이버 is Naver And says they use the "p" sound since there's no V. Well.. if you look at the symbol here 廿 (I'm borrowing the kanji for 20 here) I learned it as a B sound not a P sound. There is a P sound from what I learned.. it looks like a roman numeral II. BUT.. as I listen to the audio that goes with the words I'm finding that 廿 sounds like a P too a lot. All these exceptions don't help memorize weird sounding words. At least I like my flashcards. Good audio and pictures make it fun to study. Edited by kraemder on 22 July 2014 at 3:23am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Evita Tetraglot Senior Member Latvia learnlatvian.info Joined 6345 days ago 734 posts - 1036 votes Speaks: Latvian*, English, German, Russian Studies: Korean, Finnish | Message 1438 of 1702 22 July 2014 at 9:36am | IP Logged | |||||
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ㅂ is both "p" and "b". In the middle of words, especially between vowels like in 네이버, it is pronounced as "b". At the beginning of words - more often as "p". But when I say "more often", it doesn't mean that there are some exceptions where it's pronounced as "b". Koreans simply don't differentiate between "p" and "b" as much as we do, you can say either one and be fine.
The same is true for letter ㄷ. It's pronounced as "d" between vowels and as "t" at the beginning of words. Last week I had a chance to speak to some Korean girls who were visiting Riga and when I asked them what their plans for the evening were, two of them said "Tina". I couldn't figure out what that meant until a third one said "dinner". So you see - they have trouble saying "d" at the beginning of a word. Then there's also ㄹ which can be either "l" or "r". For example, "to say" in Korean is "말하다". If you say it slowly then it is "malhada" but at normal speed it's "marada" because the "h" is silent and "ㄹ" is sort of between vowels. But none of these things are exceptions, they're more like rules. Korean is very regular so once you are familiar with all the rules life will be relatively easy for you. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| dampingwire Bilingual Triglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4458 days ago 1185 posts - 1513 votes Speaks: English*, Italian*, French Studies: Japanese | Message 1439 of 1702 22 July 2014 at 11:26am | IP Logged | |||||
I'm not sure why the site names (sometimes) vary from language to language: Chinese doesn't follow the pattern. Maybe there was already something too similar to koreanpod101? Anyway, if you use it much more, I'd be interested in knowing what you think of it in terms of breadth and depth. I'm not planning to look at Korean any time soon, but it would be useful to store away some information just in case :-)
At least Japanese pronunciations is generally straightforward. It makes up for that in lots of other ways though :-) 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| kraemder Senior Member United StatesRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4977 days ago 1497 posts - 1648 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German, Spanish, Japanese | Message 1440 of 1702 23 July 2014 at 2:45am | IP Logged | |||||
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Just browsing boards and I found a link to this... https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1858774754/magicians-a- language-learning-rpg. I remember seeing one for Japanese too. Is kickstarter not a big scam site? The goal for this game was just 5k and it met the goal and that was two years ago.. no game. And it looks like the website for the game no longer exists.
Just bothers me that people seem to get away with that stuff. Maybe I'm off in assuming it's a scam. *edit* I guess it's not a scam. Here's the site.. the site linked to the kickstart doesn't work for whatever reason but there is a site. Magicians - Language Learning RPG but it's not a 1 player RPG it's a table top thing you do with friends or something. So I won't be getting it. But that's really cool that he made it and I'm glad it's not a scam. Edited by kraemder on 25 July 2014 at 9:43am 1 person has voted this message useful |
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