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| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6386 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes  4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 65 of 116 16 November 2013 at 7:18pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
And the pace and flexibility. When I took a couple of months of Portuguese classes, I found I had zero motivation to go beyond what was taught.
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| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4496 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish | Message 66 of 116 16 November 2013 at 7:23pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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I find class dialogues terrible - you're speaking to other people with even worse
pronunciation. The second problem is that if that happens I am going to be the annoying person and improvise everything I know extra on the fly, just to keep myself from being bored. I would find an exchange partner or a native willing to talk in your L2 and I would also hire a cheap tutor who gives you loads of input and speaking practice. Nearly every language that I speak well is a language I have spoken in social situations and would be comfortable, say, asking a girl out on a date in, or, say, go to a party in. Whereas doing a shopping routine is just... you know, you prepare what you want to get and you say it. If they deviate there's always "can you repeat that?" 4 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| beano Diglot Senior Member United KingdomRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4411 days ago 1049 posts - 2152 votes Speaks: English*, German Studies: Russian, Serbian, Hungarian | Message 67 of 116 17 November 2013 at 11:00am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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The best language classes I attended were the ones where the teacher actually spoke to the class most of
the time in German and constantly fired questions at the class, more or less forcing you to speak. I got a lot out of that approach. Strangely, or schooling system still teaches languages by using the medium of English which seems counter intuitive. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| s_allard Triglot Senior Member Canada Joined 5219 days ago 2704 posts - 5425 votes Speaks: French*, English, Spanish Studies: Polish | Message 68 of 116 17 November 2013 at 5:10pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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I still don't get it. Are there people here still saying that all language classes are bad? I have no doubt that many people have had terrible experiences with high school classes but should that lead us to believe that all classes are terrible and useless? Maybe we should tell all those people at the US Foreign Service Institute or the many schools around the world that they are wasting their time.
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| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4496 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish | Message 69 of 116 17 November 2013 at 5:21pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
Tutoring is fine with me, classroom education is something I generally abhor. But if you could find a way to use it productively then be my guest. I am not sure FSI is a good example because its goals are different, but drilling does help. It is just really boring though and doesn't stimulate creativity in my view. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6386 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 70 of 116 17 November 2013 at 5:24pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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If you study full-time like at FSI, it doesn't matter much what exactly you do, within reasonable. When classes aren't a waste of time, they are still not worth the boredom and PAIN. If you have the discipline to survive the classes that make you cry several times a day, you definitely have the capability to learn on your own and cry only from happiness or compassion for fictional characters.
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| s_allard Triglot Senior Member Canada Joined 5219 days ago 2704 posts - 5425 votes Speaks: French*, English, Spanish Studies: Polish | Message 71 of 116 17 November 2013 at 7:01pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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I can barely believe what I'm reading here in this thread. The Canadian government, like every government in the world, must offer language training for its diplomats and employees posted abroad. The primary provider is the Canadian Foreign Service Institute. Here is their goal:
"The Canadian Foreign Service Institute (CFSI) is the primary training provider for Foreign Affairs and International Trade Canada (DFAIT) and offers more than 150 learning activities." As can be imagined, they have an extensive language training department in 44 lacguages. Are there people here at HTLAL who suggest that the CFSI would do better to scrap all those language classes, hand out Assimil courses and tell people to come back when they feel"fluent" in the language? 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4496 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish | Message 72 of 116 17 November 2013 at 7:12pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
Their goals are entirely different. If you need to drill someone at short notice to be able to speak without needing any creativity, FSI methods will help. 2 persons have voted this message useful |
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