IronFist Senior Member United States Joined 6247 days ago 663 posts - 941 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Japanese, Korean
| Message 33 of 106 12 January 2012 at 5:27pm | IP Logged |
Can you guys post youtube vids or recordings where people are saying "tree" (or any initial tr word) or "drink" (or any initial dr word) where it doesn't sound like "chr" or "jr," respectively?
That will have to do until I buy a microphone.
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Solfrid Cristin Heptaglot Winner TAC 2011 & 2012 Senior Member Norway Joined 5144 days ago 4143 posts - 8864 votes Speaks: Norwegian*, Spanish, Swedish, French, English, German, Italian Studies: Russian
| Message 34 of 106 12 January 2012 at 5:34pm | IP Logged |
mrwarper wrote:
Is "Zwitserland" another example of how you (or me or apparently many foreign English speakers) are unclear when it comes to /s/ vs /z/? ;)
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Ikke mobb :-)
No, this is another example of my horrific spelling...
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Arekkusu Hexaglot Senior Member Canada bit.ly/qc_10_lec Joined 5191 days ago 3971 posts - 7747 votes Speaks: English, French*, GermanC1, Spanish, Japanese, Esperanto Studies: Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Estonian
| Message 35 of 106 12 January 2012 at 5:44pm | IP Logged |
IronFist wrote:
I have a similar issue in Japanese when an R follows an N.
Oddly enough, I can pronounce "kanrinin" (manager) decently because I've heard it so much in the anime "Maison Ikkou" (where they all call Kyoko "kanrinin-san"), but pretty much any other words I cannot say it right. |
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I don't think there's actually an n there -- it's more like a nasalized a.
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hrhenry Octoglot Senior Member United States languagehopper.blogs Joined 4940 days ago 1871 posts - 3642 votes Speaks: English*, SpanishC2, ItalianC2, Norwegian, Catalan, Galician, Turkish, Portuguese Studies: Polish, Indonesian, Ojibwe
| Message 36 of 106 12 January 2012 at 8:01pm | IP Logged |
Solfrid Cristin wrote:
...and said that he thougt I had said a lot of cheese.
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The mention of "cheese" brings to mind an actress - Sofia Vergara - here in the US (originally from Colombia) that has a pretty thick accent and she really plays it up on the show Modern Family. She had ordered a box of "baby cheeses" and got a box of "baby Jesus" in one episode.
Anyway, a link to some of her antics.
R.
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Edited by hrhenry on 12 January 2012 at 8:23pm
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FELlX Diglot Groupie France Joined 4580 days ago 94 posts - 149 votes Speaks: French*, English
| Message 37 of 106 12 January 2012 at 8:39pm | IP Logged |
IronFist wrote:
Can you guys post youtube vids or recordings where people are saying "tree" (or any initial tr word) or "drink" (or any initial dr word) where it doesn't sound like "chr" or "jr," respectively?
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http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/tree
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/drink#English
Note the IPA for tree (/tɹiː/, [t͡ʃɹiː]) where it is pronounced like you are saying, unlike "drink".
Edited by FELlX on 12 January 2012 at 8:40pm
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Peedie Newbie United StatesRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4533 days ago 25 posts - 52 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German, Spanish, Russian
| Message 38 of 106 12 January 2012 at 9:50pm | IP Logged |
Try www.forvo.com to settle the debate. Here is the "drink" link vs tree.
http://www.forvo.com/word/drink/#en
http://www.forvo.com/word/tree/#en
BTW, I love this site for pronounciation. Sometimes when I can't "hear" in my head a word I've just come across in Russian I check the pronounciation here. It's also useful for where to place the stress.
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SueK Groupie United States Joined 4561 days ago 77 posts - 133 votes Studies: Mandarin
| Message 39 of 106 12 January 2012 at 9:52pm | IP Logged |
I have issues with the word 'something' in my native language, american English! I remember when I was a kid, I had this friend who always teased me, saying I was saying 'somethink' instead of 'something' (works for anything ending in thing)
I could never hear it and thought it was her imagination.
Somewhere in my 30's, I learned to type and at the same time, learned my very imaginative freind had a very good ear, as sometimes I type 'somethink'!!!
Wow, you should have seen how many times I had to retype K or G to get this out! To my knowledge, I have no regional accent and speak otherwise quiet clearly.
My friend passed a few years back, so this doesn't actually fit the category of pronunciation problems that annoys me, as it makes me smile and think of her everytime (breif hesitation after typing 'think' before I saw I actually meant 'think' this time!) Thanks for the smile, Sofrid!
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IronFist Senior Member United States Joined 6247 days ago 663 posts - 941 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Japanese, Korean
| Message 40 of 106 12 January 2012 at 11:14pm | IP Logged |
Peedie wrote:
Try www.forvo.com to settle the debate. Here is the "drink" link vs tree.
http://www.forvo.com/word/drink/#en |
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The first 3 were "jr" sounds.
The last one was a Japanese guy saying "do-rin-ku."
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http://www.forvo.com/word/tree/#en |
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Those were all distinctly "chree."
On a related note, it sounds to me like British English changes an initial "tu" to "chu"? For example, "tune" becomes "choon" (chune). "Tuna" becomes "chuna." YouTube becomes "YouChube." I thought of this when I was just watching something on VH1 and a British guy was talking about a music video on "youchube."
Edited by IronFist on 12 January 2012 at 11:14pm
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