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| hrhenry Octoglot Senior Member United States languagehopper.blogs Joined 4945 days ago 1871 posts - 3642 votes  Speaks: English*, SpanishC2, ItalianC2, Norwegian, Catalan, Galician, Turkish, Portuguese Studies: Polish, Indonesian, Ojibwe | Message 41 of 106 12 January 2012 at 11:22pm | IP Logged | |||||
It comes down to differences in what we hear. Of the first three, I would argue that only the second contains a "jr" sound. I didn't hear "chree" at all in the second set of samples. R. == 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| IronFist Senior Member United States Joined 6252 days ago 663 posts - 941 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Japanese, Korean | Message 42 of 106 12 January 2012 at 11:22pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Oh! I just thought of another one.
I hear a lot of people pronounce "I'm" with an N rather than an M. So like "mine" without the M. "I'n gonna call my friend." I hear that a LOT. I first noticed it in middle school from my friend who just moved to the Chicago suburbs from southern California. Then I started noticing everyone say it. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Cainntear Pentaglot Senior Member Scotland linguafrankly.blogsp Joined 5826 days ago 4399 posts - 7687 votes Speaks: Lowland Scots, English*, French, Spanish, Scottish Gaelic Studies: Catalan, Italian, German, Irish, Welsh | Message 43 of 106 12 January 2012 at 11:22pm | IP Logged | |||||
Forvo isn't going to settle the debate, because we're just going to argue over what we hear. One of the problems is that we don't hear objectively anyway. I've logged into the Oxford English Dictionary and they've got no CH for "tree". And no, the OED isn't UK English only, as evidenced by the pronunciation guide for "Nuclear": Brit. /ˈnjuːklɪə/ , U.S. /ˈn(j)ukliər/ Edited by Cainntear on 12 January 2012 at 11:26pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| IronFist Senior Member United States Joined 6252 days ago 663 posts - 941 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Japanese, Korean | Message 44 of 106 12 January 2012 at 11:23pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Oh, one that drives me nuts is when people say "pitcher" when they mean "picture."
"Hey, here's my camera. Can you take a pitcher of me?" DRIVES ME NUTS. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| IronFist Senior Member United States Joined 6252 days ago 663 posts - 941 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Japanese, Korean | Message 45 of 106 12 January 2012 at 11:25pm | IP Logged | |||||
I don't care what the dictionary says. I know what I hear every day of my life :) I've never heard anyone say "trrr-eee" in the front of their mouth (unless they're doing an imitation of a French accent). For those of you who don't believe that "tree" is pronounced "chree," can you upload a recording of yourself pronouncing it each way? I want to hear what you think I'm missing. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| hrhenry Octoglot Senior Member United States languagehopper.blogs Joined 4945 days ago 1871 posts - 3642 votes Speaks: English*, SpanishC2, ItalianC2, Norwegian, Catalan, Galician, Turkish, Portuguese Studies: Polish, Indonesian, Ojibwe | Message 46 of 106 12 January 2012 at 11:28pm | IP Logged | |||||
I've already mentioned the difference in what I hear with the forvo samples. If you can't accept that we hear them differently, you're probably not going to hear anyone else's pronunciation differently either. R. == 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Cainntear Pentaglot Senior Member Scotland linguafrankly.blogsp Joined 5826 days ago 4399 posts - 7687 votes Speaks: Lowland Scots, English*, French, Spanish, Scottish Gaelic Studies: Catalan, Italian, German, Irish, Welsh | Message 47 of 106 12 January 2012 at 11:32pm | IP Logged | |||||
The dictionary is based on academic observation; studies using x-rays of mouths and frequency analysis of phonemes. It's a far more objective measure than an individual opinion.
That would be a pointless task, as we'd only invoke the observer's paradox. If I say something consciously trying to demonstrate a particular point, how do we know whether I've pronounced it naturally or not? When I was wee, and I was told that -or and -er were pronounced the same (eg doctor, driver), I would say them differently... but only because I was trying to. Edited by Cainntear on 12 January 2012 at 11:34pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Cainntear Pentaglot Senior Member Scotland linguafrankly.blogsp Joined 5826 days ago 4399 posts - 7687 votes Speaks: Lowland Scots, English*, French, Spanish, Scottish Gaelic Studies: Catalan, Italian, German, Irish, Welsh | Message 48 of 106 12 January 2012 at 11:39pm | IP Logged | |||||
This is a fairly predictable phonetic change. In Gaelic, a palatised T sounds similar to CH. The sound change you mention only occurs before a y-glide /ju/. This compares fairly well to what happens with some of the Eastern European language which has a "slenderising" of "palatising" marker. 3 persons have voted this message useful |
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