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| Gemuse Senior Member Germany Joined 3884 days ago 818 posts - 1189 votes  Speaks: English Studies: German | Message 89 of 180 28 May 2014 at 5:58am | IP Logged | ||
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Again a bust last week. It started off great, but then from friday on, I barely did
anything. German: 9h45min Task 01: 1h05m Task02, 03: zilch I looked at the zu+infinitive construction last week. Here are some notes from the webs which might be of use to someone: zu + infinitive Weil (because) + a dependent clause shows the reason for an action; however, damit and um…zu (so that, in order to) show the goal of an action. Damit is also followed by a dependent clause, whereas um…zu introduces an infinitive. Sie macht das Fenster zu, damit sie nicht friert. = Sie macht das Fenster zu, um nicht zu frieren. She closes the window, so that she won't freeze . = She closes the window, in order to not freeze. Commonly, you use --damit when the subject of the main clause is different from the subject of the dependent clause, and --um…zu when the understood subject of the infinitive is the same as the subject of the main clause. -------------------------------------------------- The verbs brauchen (to need) and scheinen (to seem, appear) are often used with zu + an infinitive. Brauchen in the negative is usually translated as to not have to, and is the opposite of müssen. Es scheint kaputt zu sein. It seems to be broken. Ich brauche heute nicht zu arbeiten. I don't have to work today. Sein + zu + an infinitive is used the same way in English and German, but the construction is far more common in German. Das ist nicht zu machen. That can't be done. Das ist in jedem Laden zu finden. That can be found in any store. Other commonly used verbs with zu+infinitive: versuchen to try vor.haben to intend, to have planned, to have got on vor.schlagen to suggest, to propose Adjective+zu infinitive only with: einfach interessant leicht schwer schwierig The subject of sein has to be the object of infinitive Diese Aufgabe ist einfach zu lösen. Verbs of perception infinitive verb is used without zu fühlen (to feel) hören sehen spüren (to sense) Also this link: http://yourdailygerman.wordpress.com/2012/03/01/use-of-zu-an d-um-zu I also wrote a couple of emails in German last week to Verkäufer regarding some problems with orders. Naturally with the help of Wörterbuch + other books. Recently I have been feeling like I have crossed another threshold in German. Still some way to go to get to B1, but there has definitely been a level jump. Edited by Gemuse on 28 May 2014 at 2:57pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| patrickwilken Senior Member Germany radiant-flux.net Joined 4335 days ago 1546 posts - 3200 votes Studies: German | Message 90 of 180 28 May 2014 at 8:59am | IP Logged | ||
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| Gemuse Senior Member Germany Joined 3884 days ago 818 posts - 1189 votes Speaks: English Studies: German | Message 91 of 180 02 June 2014 at 5:22am | IP Logged | ||
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Thanks Patrick! But I feel I should have progressed much farther. A2 after 9 months is
silly. This week was again unsatisfactory (like usual) Times: German: 6h 13min Task 01: 5h (this was some forced work, not voluntary) Task 02: 22min Seeing how draining Task 01 was, I am revising downward the target goal to 90min per week for Task 01. I think I am being very lazy. I need to work more. Tick tick tick, that is the sound of my life running out. German: I wrote 20 sentences using zu+infinitive (not part of classwork). Used Hugo for this + some online resources. Eg., http://yourdailygerman.wordpress.com/2012/03/01/use-of-zu-an d-um-zu Will ask the Lehrerin to correct it. I also started back on Lingq schritt für schritt lessons. Covered chapters 3 & 4 of the course, Essentially this is a reader with easily accessible google translate dictionary. Almost like Patrick's method Also got the following German reader from the lib: http://www.amazon.co.uk/German-beginn ers-bilingual-speakers- English/dp/1452869839 Covered first two chapters. I am now at a stage where I should start ramping up my input, as Patrick has been suggesting for a while. The LingQ lessons + the reader should serve that purpose for the next two months. I was doing some "fill in the blanks" + "kreutzen Sie an" type exercises, and I found myself scanning the sentences and grasping the meaning, rather than pausing after every word. That was cool. Also bought the PONS Großwörterbuch http://www.amazon.de/gp/product/3125171 695 Used for 6.5 Euro shipped. Did I need it? No. Did I want it? Hell yes! It's in quite decent condition. Edited by Gemuse on 02 June 2014 at 5:23am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| soclydeza85 Senior Member United States Joined 3709 days ago 357 posts - 502 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German, French | Message 92 of 180 02 June 2014 at 3:00pm | IP Logged | ||
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Good job on the level increase Troy! And don't beat yourself up because you are not yet at a certain level (how do you know, by the way?). I've found that a lot of times, because we all use different learning methods, while you are technically at one level you many have gained knowledge of a higher level in the process. So you may be at A2 now, but you probably picked up some B1 or B2 material along the way which will make it easier for you once you get to that level.
How are you doing with Hugo? Are you still using it? Did you finish it? 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Gemuse Senior Member Germany Joined 3884 days ago 818 posts - 1189 votes Speaks: English Studies: German | Message 93 of 180 02 June 2014 at 4:48pm | IP Logged | ||
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Thanks for the kind words pat.
I stopped Hugo, I did upto lesson 10. Two reasons: First the German course I am taking takes up a lot of time (I have mentioned about my 4hr vokab noting woes previously). Second, I felt I needed more time to practice and digest (eg. the zu+infinitive construct, or the passive voice). Now that I have had some practice (I last did Hugo about a month back), I feel more ready to progress, so I'm gonna do chapter 11, and then practice again for a while. Edited by Gemuse on 02 June 2014 at 8:58pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| soclydeza85 Senior Member United States Joined 3709 days ago 357 posts - 502 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German, French | Message 94 of 180 02 June 2014 at 5:12pm | IP Logged | ||
That's pretty much what I do with Hugo, I take it nice and slow. I just finished week 10 so I'll probably just review all chapters 10 and below for a week or 2, refresh on the vocab and then tackle week 11. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| soclydeza85 Senior Member United States Joined 3709 days ago 357 posts - 502 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German, French | Message 95 of 180 04 June 2014 at 5:18pm | IP Logged | ||
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Hey Troy. I figure I'd let you know, I recently asked a native German whether it is "dass" or "daß" and you are correct that it is now written "dass". I'm not sure why, but Assimil uses daß and the copy I have is a more modern version.
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| patrickwilken Senior Member Germany radiant-flux.net Joined 4335 days ago 1546 posts - 3200 votes Studies: German | Message 96 of 180 04 June 2014 at 5:44pm | IP Logged | ||
It's spelt 'dass' because it's pronounced with a short 'a' sound. If it was pronounced daaaass it would be spelt 'daß'. In contrast 'Straße' has a long-a. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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