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| yantai_scot Senior Member United KingdomRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4592 days ago 157 posts - 214 votes  Speaks: English* Studies: German | Message 49 of 180 16 March 2014 at 8:43pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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That's the first 'Itchy Feet' cartoon I've read. I've duly bookmarked it :)
You have me seriously frightened! What are 'double perfect constructions and proper conditional uses'?1?! Know what? Don't tell me. I want to be carefree until the time comes like a lamb to the slaughter... I see that the genitive case seems to loom large in Hugo Week 10...a cold chill was sent down my spine... I'm really enjoying your comments on your studies. I've also sat today querying my pronunciation with the 'e' vs 'er' on the end of words. It's more like an English 'er' where it's more of an 'euh' which goes up and down again like an inverse Chinese 4th tone.Foreign to us Scots. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Gemuse Senior Member Germany Joined 3872 days ago 818 posts - 1189 votes Speaks: English Studies: German | Message 50 of 180 16 March 2014 at 9:00pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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LOL, me scaring a native English speaker on English :P
I had some questions on English, and that double perfect thing came up. My thread is in the "Questions About Your Target Languages" subforum here, right at the top. Thread title "English: Random Question (Double Perfect)". And yup, the German "er" is like an "uh", thats how the Hugo book describes it, that as compared to "e" the jaw drops lower. A few days ago, I heard a talk (in English) by a German native who had a strong German accent. It was interesting to hear the pronunciation. "Numbers" became "Numbuz". Reminds me, I need to figure out how to do the English "th" sound, and also to figure out the difference between the English "v" and "w". And in German, I cannot differentiate between "u" and "ü". With an exaggerated accent, with just those letters spoken, I can. but in a word, nope. ItchyFeet is great. New comics every week. I have posted comic links before in my log, especially those related to German issues. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Gemuse Senior Member Germany Joined 3872 days ago 818 posts - 1189 votes Speaks: English Studies: German | Message 51 of 180 19 March 2014 at 8:59pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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German: Covered half of Hugo German chap 8, modal verbs
It gives a lot of different meanings of the modal verbs. One thing where the book dropped the ball is that it does not given the difference between "müssen nicht" and "dürfen nicht" which have completely different meanings. Also learned that when we say "number of things", the things is in singular form except if the thing is feminine in which case it is plural. Female ... always wanting special treatment :D zwei Buch but zwei Zeitungen. I have not done any listening practice in a while. Need to start that back up. Was listing to lesson 1 of Hugo, and realized I may have more difficulty differentiating between "en" and "ern" than between "e" and "er". "en" sounds more like "un" and "ern" sounds like "an". There were also some other words in the first chapter which I could not differentiate from hearing: meer, mehr. Many repeated hearings needed. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Josquin Heptaglot Senior Member Germany Joined 4634 days ago 2266 posts - 3992 votes Speaks: German*, English, French, Latin, Italian, Russian, Swedish Studies: Japanese, Irish, Portuguese, Persian | Message 52 of 180 19 March 2014 at 9:40pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
This is absolutely not correct. If you count more than one thing, they're always in the plural. It's "zwei Bücher", not "zwei Buch". Did your textbook say this or where did you get it from? If your textbook said so, please throw it away immediately!
Nobody can differentiate these words from hearing. They're homophones. I could even add a third one: "Mär". They all sound the same. Edited by Josquin on 19 March 2014 at 9:52pm 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Gemuse Senior Member Germany Joined 3872 days ago 818 posts - 1189 votes Speaks: English Studies: German | Message 53 of 180 19 March 2014 at 10:05pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
Thanks for pointing that out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I checked the book again. And based on what you said, I realised I had interpreted the book wrong. The book was talking about measurements and quantities, and how it differs from English. zwei Meter Bindfallen. einige Dosen Bohnen. drei Glas Rotwein. zwei Pfund Mehl. And it says if the "first noun is masculine or neutrum...". I apparently had not understood what it was saying. Thanks for catching this. If I understand this right, we have Acht Bücher. but Acht Buch Sammlung. and Acht Zeitungen; Acht Zeitungen Sammlung. Hope I got this right.
Aha! Thanks, makes me feel better :D Edited by Gemuse on 19 March 2014 at 10:09pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Josquin Heptaglot Senior Member Germany Joined 4634 days ago 2266 posts - 3992 votes Speaks: German*, English, French, Latin, Italian, Russian, Swedish Studies: Japanese, Irish, Portuguese, Persian | Message 54 of 180 19 March 2014 at 10:37pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
You're welcome! First of all, you could also say "zwei Gläser Rotwein", so I don't know how important this rule actually is. But second of all, "acht Buch Sammlung" and "acht Zeitungen Sammlung" doesn't make any sense. Neither "Buch" nor "Zeitung" is a measurement or a quantity containing "Sammlung". It's completely the other way round: A "Sammlung" contains "Bücher" or "Zeitungen". What you meant to say was "eine Sammlung von acht Büchern/Zeitungen". Edited by Josquin on 19 March 2014 at 10:39pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
 Jiwon Triglot Moderator Korea, South Joined 6226 days ago 1417 posts - 1500 votes Speaks: EnglishC2, Korean*, GermanC1 Studies: Hindi, Spanish Personal Language Map | Message 55 of 180 19 March 2014 at 10:40pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
Sorry but this just does not sound right. What is "Acht Buch Sammlung" supposed to mean? If you want to say 8 collections of newspapers, it should be "acht Sammlungen von Zeitungen". A collection of 8 newspapers would be "eine Sammlung von acht Zeitungen". The combination discussed in your text book is probably about measurements and quantities. It should be "(number)+(quantity word)+(the object in question)" If I remember correctly, we use it to talk of metric (or other standardised) units, or arbitrary units for uncountable things. Hence, drei Kilo Kartoffeln (3 kg of potatoes, standardard unit of countable things) and zwei Dosen Tomatensuppe (2 cans of tomato soup). The point the writers wanted to get across in the book is that quantity word needs to change in plural only if it is a female noun (except for currencies). Edited by Jiwon on 19 March 2014 at 10:41pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Josquin Heptaglot Senior Member Germany Joined 4634 days ago 2266 posts - 3992 votes Speaks: German*, English, French, Latin, Italian, Russian, Swedish Studies: Japanese, Irish, Portuguese, Persian | Message 56 of 180 19 March 2014 at 11:03pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
Sorry to correct you, but in this case "acht Sammlungen" is actually a quantity measuring the amount of newspapers, so it would be "acht Sammlungen Zeitungen" or, probably more common, "acht Zeitungssammlungen". The same goes for "Bücher". Edited by Josquin on 19 March 2014 at 11:05pm 1 person has voted this message useful |
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