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| Gemuse Senior Member Germany Joined 3884 days ago 818 posts - 1189 votes  Speaks: English Studies: German | Message 57 of 180 20 March 2014 at 5:24pm | IP Logged | |||||
Thanks for the explain again! Can we say zehn Kartons Bücher? 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Josquin Heptaglot Senior Member Germany Joined 4646 days ago 2266 posts - 3992 votes Speaks: German*, English, French, Latin, Italian, Russian, Swedish Studies: Japanese, Irish, Portuguese, Persian | Message 58 of 180 20 March 2014 at 5:38pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Yes, it's the only correct way. "Zehn Karton Bücher" would be wrong.
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| Gemuse Senior Member Germany Joined 3884 days ago 818 posts - 1189 votes Speaks: English Studies: German | Message 59 of 180 20 March 2014 at 5:54pm | IP Logged | |||||
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But Karton is masculine, and according to the Hugo German rules as I understood it, it
should have been "Zehn Karton Bücher". Ughhh. And we have for "Sack" masculine (from collinsdictionary): "zehn Sack Kartoffeln" instead of "zehn Säcke Kartoffeln". I'm confused. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Josquin Heptaglot Senior Member Germany Joined 4646 days ago 2266 posts - 3992 votes Speaks: German*, English, French, Latin, Italian, Russian, Swedish Studies: Japanese, Irish, Portuguese, Persian | Message 60 of 180 20 March 2014 at 10:09pm | IP Logged | |||||
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I don't really know why the rule doesn't work for "Karton". A possible reason might be that "Karton" is a relatively modern loanword, so it became an exception to the rule.
Another explanation might be that concrete objects like boxes aren't really perceived as measurements, so you can use the normal plural form. This works with "Karton", "Glas", "Fass" and probably some other nouns, but I don't know the exact rule for this. I'm sorry for confusing you! 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Gemuse Senior Member Germany Joined 3884 days ago 818 posts - 1189 votes Speaks: English Studies: German | Message 61 of 180 21 March 2014 at 3:20pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Josquin, you did not confuse me, German did :D
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 Jiwon Triglot Moderator Korea, South Joined 6238 days ago 1417 posts - 1500 votes Speaks: EnglishC2, Korean*, GermanC1 Studies: Hindi, Spanish Personal Language Map | Message 62 of 180 23 March 2014 at 12:19pm | IP Logged | |||||
I've never heard of this usage before. :/ To me it sounds more like "zwei Gruppen von Frauen".. You wouldn't use "zwei Gruppen Frauen", or do you? @_@ Well, I guess we live and learn. :) 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Josquin Heptaglot Senior Member Germany Joined 4646 days ago 2266 posts - 3992 votes Speaks: German*, English, French, Latin, Italian, Russian, Swedish Studies: Japanese, Irish, Portuguese, Persian | Message 63 of 180 23 March 2014 at 2:41pm | IP Logged | |||||
Unfortunately, we do! ;) 3 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| Gemuse Senior Member Germany Joined 3884 days ago 818 posts - 1189 votes Speaks: English Studies: German | Message 64 of 180 23 March 2014 at 6:27pm | IP Logged | |||||
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German: Finished a pass over Hugo chapter 8.
Lot of material in this chapter. Need more passes. The last exercise kicked my butt. Cant tell when to put "stellen" and when to put "legen". The book really should have had more examples for dafür, daher, damit etc for the "da" prefix words which have their own meaning. There was some nice discussion about the difference between Eg gibt, and es is/sind. My Ultimate German Beginner, and advanced books arrived today. The advanced one was: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/14000 23203 I got it for $5+6.5 overseas shipping. Book was supposed to be in acceptable condition. Surprisingly, it turned out to be a CDs+paperback book in a case kind of thing. I wasnt expecting CDs to be included. The font is pleasing. Hate the paper quality though, its the cheapo kind which yellows very quickly, and since the book was published 10 years ago, the pages are colored now. The beginner one was new, but no CDs. Did not get time to do any audio this week. German learners, pop quiz: Do you know the difference between Schüssel and Schlüssel? nicht and nichts? gar nicht and gar nichts? I'm quite liking the Hugo book. Anyone know if the 1960/70s version is different than the 1990 version? PS: I did not like the ItchyFeet comic fr today, so not gonna link. Edited by Gemuse on 24 March 2014 at 5:24pm 1 person has voted this message useful |
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