drygramul Tetraglot Senior Member Italy Joined 4270 days ago 165 posts - 269 votes Speaks: Persian, Italian*, EnglishC2, GermanB2 Studies: French, Polish
| Message 97 of 180 04 June 2014 at 8:56pm | IP Logged |
Gemuse, is German the first L2 you're learning?
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also, I have always wondered the reason for your nickname choice
Edited by drygramul on 04 June 2014 at 8:58pm
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Gemuse Senior Member Germany Joined 3884 days ago 818 posts - 1189 votes Speaks: English Studies: German
| Message 98 of 180 04 June 2014 at 8:59pm | IP Logged |
soclydeza85 wrote:
Hey Troy. I figure I'd let you know, I recently asked a native
German whether it is "dass" or "daß" and you are correct that it is now written "dass".
I'm not sure why, but Assimil uses daß and the copy I have is a more modern version.
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Assimil German was written before the spelling reform, hence the old style "daß" use.
I think Hugo German was also written before the spelling reform, but it uses "dass".
I'll have to check if it has the "ß" letter at all.
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Gemuse Senior Member Germany Joined 3884 days ago 818 posts - 1189 votes Speaks: English Studies: German
| Message 99 of 180 04 June 2014 at 9:16pm | IP Logged |
drygramul wrote:
Gemuse, is German the first L2 you're learning?
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Kind of. I was exposed to English as a kid, still had to learn it; but English was
neither here nor there -- it was not as alien as German, and it was not a native
tongue. A bit of Sanskrit was also taught in school, but it was very basic, and I did
not gain any skills (I was maybe A1.1 after 4 years of school).
Nickname choice: I picked it a while back, before I knew any German.
Edited by Gemuse on 07 June 2014 at 10:10pm
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soclydeza85 Senior Member United States Joined 3709 days ago 357 posts - 502 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German, French
| Message 100 of 180 04 June 2014 at 11:02pm | IP Logged |
Gemuse wrote:
Assimil German was written before the spelling reform, hence the old style "daß" use.
I think Hugo German was also written before the spelling reform, but it uses "dass".
I'll have to check if it has the "ß" letter at all. |
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The version I have (Assimil) says it was published in 2001. They probably just didn't update the content at that point.
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patrickwilken Senior Member Germany radiant-flux.net Joined 4335 days ago 1546 posts - 3200 votes Studies: German
| Message 101 of 180 04 June 2014 at 11:48pm | IP Logged |
Gemuse wrote:
I think Hugo German was also written before the spelling reform, but it uses "dass".
I'll have to check if it has the "ß" letter at all. |
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But why wouldn't it have "ß"? It's a perfectly valid German letter that should be used for certain words.
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soclydeza85 Senior Member United States Joined 3709 days ago 357 posts - 502 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German, French
| Message 102 of 180 05 June 2014 at 12:18am | IP Logged |
patrickwilken wrote:
But why wouldn't it have "ß"? It's a perfectly valid German letter that should be used for certain words. |
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I just checked. Hugo uses "dass" but it also uses the ß on selected words.
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EnglishEagle Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4377 days ago 140 posts - 157 votes Studies: English*, German
| Message 103 of 180 05 June 2014 at 12:52am | IP Logged |
Do you know roughly how many hours you've put in to get to the level that you're at? I'm always curious to see
whether DW is correct in saying it takes about 400 hours to get to a low B1.
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patrickwilken Senior Member Germany radiant-flux.net Joined 4335 days ago 1546 posts - 3200 votes Studies: German
| Message 104 of 180 05 June 2014 at 9:35am | IP Logged |
soclydeza85 wrote:
patrickwilken wrote:
But why wouldn't it have "ß"? It's a perfectly valid German letter that should be used for certain words. |
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I just checked. Hugo uses "dass" but it also uses the ß on selected words. |
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Yes. The ß is used on words with long vocals (e.g., Fuß, Straße etc). It's not really optional. It would be like writing "die Kuhe" rather than "die Kühe". One is correct and the other not.
Now you could write "die Kuehe" if your keyboard doesn't allow for an u-umlaut, and in the same way if you keyboard doesn't have ß you could write 'ss', but the correct spelling is 'Straße' not 'Strasse' and "dass" not "daß"
The ß is actually quite helpful as it tells you how to pronounce the word. If you pronounce "dass" and "daß" the same way you aren't doing it right.
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