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The Real CZ
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 Message 33 of 1702
12 June 2011 at 12:14am | IP Logged 
The term "drama" is very vague when it comes to Asian dramas. They're not all soap operas. There's a variety of genres.

Places to stream them would be dramacrazy.net and mysoju.com. Places to download them would be d-addicts, AM-Addiction, and MyAsianCinema.
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 Message 34 of 1702
12 June 2011 at 12:15am | IP Logged 
The Real CZ wrote:
Once you get better at Japanese, you'll learn how much of a
nightmare hiragana is and wonder why you hated kanji in the first place.


I am clueless as to why anyone would say this and am interested to know why you think
this. FWIW, I learned hirigana and katakana in TWO DAYS. That is, I could read it.
Hirigana and katakana are simply alphabets. They just look bizarre. Kanji has
complexities beyond a simple alphabet.
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 Message 35 of 1702
12 June 2011 at 2:10am | IP Logged 
Adodger wrote:

I am clueless as to why anyone would say this and am interested to know why you think
this. FWIW, I learned hirigana and katakana in TWO DAYS. That is, I could read it.
Hirigana and katakana are simply alphabets. They just look bizarre. Kanji has
complexities beyond a simple alphabet.


They made a few points in that you can make educated guesses at meanings of words by knowing part of
the kanji for compound words... I can do the same for German which uses a lot compound words without a
visual alphabet but maybe the pictures are easier. Fact is I sorta gotta take their word for it.

However, I really doubt I'm going to agree. You can't easily look up kanji in a dictionary the way you can
with phonetic alphabets. As a learner that makes it hard. And I don't know how it's supposed to sound
whereas with kana that part is ridiculously easy. Since I would read to improve my ability for the spoken
language both listening and speaking I don't see how I'll like kanji ever.

Thankfully for electronic texts there lots of tools to help you by converting it hiragana or even romaji. And I
am and will be a newbie for a long time so I won't know for sure for a while.
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 Message 36 of 1702
12 June 2011 at 3:01am | IP Logged 
Adodger wrote:
The Real CZ wrote:
Once you get better at Japanese, you'll learn how much of a
nightmare hiragana is and wonder why you hated kanji in the first place.


I am clueless as to why anyone would say this and am interested to know why you think
this. FWIW, I learned hirigana and katakana in TWO DAYS. That is, I could read it.
Hirigana and katakana are simply alphabets. They just look bizarre. Kanji has
complexities beyond a simple alphabet.


There are a lot of Japanese words that are spelled the same with hiragana. The word "ki" can mean very many different things. If you have ki/き as 木 you know it means tree or wood. If you have ki/き as 気 this you know it means spirit. This 城 is read as "ki/き" as well and means fortress... hiragana-only texts can be a nightmare to read, in my experience. It's just much easier to read sentences that include kanji. Otherwise words can run together pretty easily >w< anyway if you find one of those kanji in a sentence looking them up you can find the right kanji and it's meaning... but with just き how would you know you have the right き's meaning?

Edited by Lasciel on 12 June 2011 at 3:02am

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 Message 37 of 1702
12 June 2011 at 4:07am | IP Logged 
Lasciel wrote:

There are a lot of Japanese words that are spelled the same with hiragana. The word "ki" can mean very many different things. If you have ki/き as 木 you know it means tree or wood. If you have ki/き as 気 this you know it means spirit. This 城 is read as "ki/き" as well and means fortress... hiragana-only texts can be a nightmare to read, in my experience. It's just much easier to read sentences that include kanji. Otherwise words can run together pretty easily >w< anyway if you find one of those kanji in a sentence looking them up you can find the right kanji and it's meaning... but with just き how would you know you have the right き's meaning?


By the context.
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 Message 38 of 1702
12 June 2011 at 4:14am | IP Logged 
Once you get to a lower intermediate level, go read a Japanese book. Japanese without kanji is a nightmare.
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 Message 39 of 1702
12 June 2011 at 3:58pm | IP Logged 
The Real CZ wrote:
Once you get to a lower intermediate level, go read a Japanese book.
Japanese without kanji is a nightmare.


I agree that it is by context that you should eventually develop an understanding. Much
of Japanese relies on context, as a few words can imply different things, even though
they have the same meaning.

I think what you meant to say before, is that reading and understanding Japanese is
easier with knowledge of both hirigana and kanji. Learning hirigana, in and of
itself, remains wayyyyyyyyy easier than learning kanji. I gotta believe this is quite
objective unless some people for some reason enjoy complex and lengthy learning instead
of something quick and simple.
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 Message 40 of 1702
12 June 2011 at 7:36pm | IP Logged 
Japanese uses no spaces. So if the text were in all hiragana the chance for misunderstanding/misreading something is very high.

I understand where you two are coming from. All of us have been there. Once you learn more Japanese you'll appreciate kanji.


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