Register  Login  Active Topics  Maps  

Has anybody tried the Gold List method?

 Language Learning Forum : Learning Techniques, Methods & Strategies Post Reply
222 messages over 28 pages: << Previous 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 ... 13 ... 27 28 Next >>
Arekkusu
Hexaglot
Senior Member
Canada
bit.ly/qc_10_lec
Joined 4502 days ago

3971 posts - 7746 votes 
Speaks: English, French*, GermanC1, Spanish, Japanese, Esperanto
Studies: Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Estonian

 
 Message 97 of 222
25 March 2010 at 12:26pm | IP Logged 
BartoG wrote:
So when you learn a word, you start with the association between the word
and what it represents, and have besides that a sense of how the word fits into a larger
linguistic framework.

That is indeed what we are trying to achieve.

BartoG wrote:
If you try to learn just the vocabulary of a language without learning
anything else, I don't know how far you'd get.

That is not what we are trying to achieve.

3 persons have voted this message useful



BartoG
Diglot
Senior Member
United States
confession
Joined 4568 days ago

292 posts - 818 votes 
Speaks: English*, French
Studies: Italian, Spanish, Latin, Uzbek

 
 Message 98 of 222
26 March 2010 at 6:29am | IP Logged 
Arekkusu,
Looking again, I see I meandered a bit in my last post. What I was going for is that meaningless syllables, even if given some significance, still wouldn't have the overall framework of language to exist in, so it might be that what the memory tests are directed toward does not address what we are trying to achieve here (to take your phrase).
1 person has voted this message useful



starst
Triglot
Senior Member
China
Joined 4635 days ago

113 posts - 133 votes 
Speaks: Mandarin*, Japanese, EnglishC2
Studies: FrenchC1, German, Norwegian

 
 Message 99 of 222
26 March 2010 at 10:37am | IP Logged 
Arekkusu wrote:
Pyx wrote:
Arekkusu wrote:
Anyone for an update?

Hasn't been two weeks yet ;) How's it going for you?

I keep doing a list or two a day, but I keep finding it hard to both "enjoy myself" and
finish writing all 25 words within the allotted 20 minutes. Even when I select the words
first. I'm thinking about shortening the lists.


25 sounds a long list... I'm thinking of giving it a try with 10 words/day, hmm.
1 person has voted this message useful



Arekkusu
Hexaglot
Senior Member
Canada
bit.ly/qc_10_lec
Joined 4502 days ago

3971 posts - 7746 votes 
Speaks: English, French*, GermanC1, Spanish, Japanese, Esperanto
Studies: Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Estonian

 
 Message 100 of 222
01 April 2010 at 4:32am | IP Logged 
Well, this was my first distillation.

I did not remember 30% of the words.

Actually, I probably barely remembered 10%.

But, as the system requires, I proceeded to distill until 8 of the 25 entries were
eliminated by combining multiple entries into single entries.

This was the first distillation of my first list, so perhaps I hadn't adjusted to the
system just yet. I've got another 2 weeks worth of lists, so I'll continue the
experiment.
2 persons have voted this message useful



Pyx
Diglot
Senior Member
China
Joined 4856 days ago

670 posts - 892 votes 
Speaks: German*, English
Studies: Mandarin

 
 Message 101 of 222
01 April 2010 at 4:41am | IP Logged 
I just reviewed my list (I only made one. I'm lazy.) and I only sort-of remembered 4 out of 25 words, and those I mostly just guessed correctly from the individual character meanings. So, as far as I am concerned, Gold Lists don't work, and I'll stick to my SRS.
2 persons have voted this message useful



Arekkusu
Hexaglot
Senior Member
Canada
bit.ly/qc_10_lec
Joined 4502 days ago

3971 posts - 7746 votes 
Speaks: English, French*, GermanC1, Spanish, Japanese, Esperanto
Studies: Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Estonian

 
 Message 102 of 222
01 April 2010 at 4:47am | IP Logged 
Pyx wrote:
I just reviewed my list (I only made one. I'm lazy.) and I only sort-of
remembered 4 out of 25 words, and those I mostly just guessed correctly from the
individual character meanings. So, as far as I am concerned, Gold Lists don't work, and
I'll stick to my SRS.

You're pretty quick to throw in the towel!
1 person has voted this message useful



Pyx
Diglot
Senior Member
China
Joined 4856 days ago

670 posts - 892 votes 
Speaks: German*, English
Studies: Mandarin

 
 Message 103 of 222
01 April 2010 at 4:52am | IP Logged 
Arekkusu wrote:
Pyx wrote:
I just reviewed my list (I only made one. I'm lazy.) and I only sort-of
remembered 4 out of 25 words, and those I mostly just guessed correctly from the
individual character meanings. So, as far as I am concerned, Gold Lists don't work, and
I'll stick to my SRS.

You're pretty quick to throw in the towel!

Well, what do you expect me to do? Stick with a method which does not appear to work for me when there is a perfectly fine method which has proven itself to me? No, Sir, I'll be interested to hear about your experiences, but when I tried something and it didn't deliver - then going back to what works isn't "throwing the towel" to me, but just common sense :)
1 person has voted this message useful



Splog
Diglot
Senior Member
Czech Republic
anthonylauder.c
Joined 4790 days ago

1062 posts - 3263 votes 
Speaks: English*, Czech
Studies: Mandarin

 
 Message 104 of 222
01 April 2010 at 10:01am | IP Logged 
I have used goldlists for a few months now, trying out several variations (such as combining them with Iversen's idea of writing the target word twice per row). After all these experiments I came to the conclusion that the most important factor in their effectiveness was that the lists contained words I cared about learning. A list of 25 parts of a washing machine was a complete failure (I remembered absolutely none of them two weeks later). A list of words from an article about the Iron Age (something I am interested in) resulted in remembering more than half of the words.

As others have said, it is a very similar system to a SRS. The difference being that (as with Iversen's wordlists) you write the entries by hand rather than type them up. The creator of Goldlists says this is an important part of the method since (somehow) our brains are wired to pay attention to what we write (rather than type). My own feeling on this was that writing is (for me) slower than typing, so that I was forced to pay more attention to the words as I wrote them out. For words I wanted to learn this was a great advantage, since I could wallow in them, and ponder them as I wrote. For words I had no interest in, though, the writing was a chore I couldn't wait to escape from.


13 persons have voted this message useful



This discussion contains 222 messages over 28 pages: << Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28  Next >>


Post ReplyPost New Topic Printable version Printable version

You cannot post new topics in this forum - You cannot reply to topics in this forum - You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum - You cannot create polls in this forum - You cannot vote in polls in this forum


This page was generated in 0.3301 seconds.


DHTML Menu By Milonic JavaScript
Copyright 2022 FX Micheloud - All rights reserved
No part of this website may be copied by any means without my written authorization.