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rad
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 Message 105 of 222
01 April 2010 at 4:36pm | IP Logged 
I'm trying the Gold List only because it fits with a need I have right now. I've been reading easy adapted stories for some time and recording the words I didn't recognize. Some words I had already listed and looked up in the glossary a half dozen times over a period of several weeks. (That's sort of gold list anyway.)

So from my original lists of masses of words and repeated words, I culled 20 for each day for the Gold List. That means that some of the words were already semi-familiar and that as I continued to read, some kept reappearing in the stories.

After the first distillation, the results are questionable, I feel more confident about the words that I have seen repeatedly. But those words I've only seen 2 or 3 times will go the limit, I fear.

I'll continue with the system (until I get bored) because it does make me focus on the words instead of just reading the next story.
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Cainntear
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 Message 106 of 222
01 April 2010 at 6:19pm | IP Logged 
Splog wrote:
My own feeling on this was that writing is (for me) slower than typing, so that I was forced to pay more attention to the words as I wrote them out. For words I wanted to learn this was a great advantage, since I could wallow in them, and ponder them as I wrote. For words I had no interest in, though, the writing was a chore I couldn't wait to escape from.

Which is basically what I was trying to say earlier -- it's not the physical "writing a list" that makes the words stick, it's what you're doing with the words in your head while writing.

The description of the Gold List technique is missing a vital step.
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Woodpecker
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 Message 107 of 222
01 April 2010 at 8:14pm | IP Logged 
Cainntear wrote:
The description of the Gold List technique is missing a vital step.


That's a pretty huge assumption to make as someone who has never actually tried it.
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Pyx
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 Message 108 of 222
02 April 2010 at 5:30am | IP Logged 
Splog wrote:
I have used goldlists for a few months now, trying out several variations (such as combining them with Iversen's idea of writing the target word twice per row).

I was wondering about that, maybe you have an answer: How does this method compare to Iversen's lists in terms of time needed, effectiveness, and so on?
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ALS
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 Message 110 of 222
06 April 2010 at 4:57pm | IP Logged 
I just finished distilling several lists myself and I'm not impressed. I remembered three words from the first list, one of which I already knew but not very well and the other two were both very similar so just by seeing the two near each other I was reminded of the meanings, and I didn't remember any other words at all, let alone 30% of each list.

These were all words I really wanted to learn, too. It was hard to resist just abandoning the lists and plugging them into my SRS.

I really did enjoy creating the initial lists though. I may try this method again with a much shorter wait time, such as 1 week or a few days.
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 Message 111 of 222
06 April 2010 at 5:23pm | IP Logged 
ALS wrote:
I really did enjoy creating the initial lists though. I may try this method again with a much shorter wait time, such as 1 week or a few days.

That would defeat the purpose of the system, though.

I'm not remembering 30% either, except that I probably end up being close to 30% when I am forced to make decisions about what I actually do know (words I didn't think I knew and must admit I rather know them now that I must delete them from the list) and when you factor in the fact that words from the list pop up in my everyday life so that when I return to the list, those words have been learned in the interval.

While I am torn between feeling like someone scammed me, is probably laughing and I am simply ignoring it, or entirely ignoring the fact that I am ignoring, I must still admit that this is the only time I've ever made vocabulary lists of any kind and I AM finding some benefit to it because I do frequently think "Oh! I know that word!" or "What was that word again, I wrote it down in my list!" and the lists are indeed increasing my passive vocabulary.

I have yet to distill a list twice though. As I distill them for the first time, I do notice that I have a lot more time to review the words. As I said in previous posts, my initial list takes so long for me to put together that I have very little time to study them if I am to stick to the 20-minute rule. I'm no so sure what to do about that yet.
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Cainntear
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 Message 112 of 222
06 April 2010 at 5:29pm | IP Logged 
Arekkusu wrote:
ALS wrote:
I really did enjoy creating the initial lists though. I may try this method again with a much shorter wait time, such as 1 week or a few days.

That would defeat the purpose of the system, though.

If the creator of the system can't provide anything other than anecdotal evidence/opinion to support his assertion of the most effective way of doing it, surely ALS is free to experiment with it himself?


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