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| smallwhite Pentaglot Senior Member Australia Joined 5101 days ago 537 posts - 1045 votes  Speaks: Cantonese*, English, Mandarin, French, Spanish | Message 73 of 350 01 May 2015 at 3:24am | IP Logged | |||||||||||
If IT would let me access our database, I swear I would use it. My bugbear is how people use MS Excel as if it were MS Word.
That's nice to hear. It used to be HTML + Javascript. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| smallwhite Pentaglot Senior Member Australia Joined 5101 days ago 537 posts - 1045 votes Speaks: Cantonese*, English, Mandarin, French, Spanish | Message 74 of 350 01 May 2015 at 4:27am | IP Logged | |||||||||||
Do you really not care? Less time spent on vocabulary means more time for reading, for movies, for family, for friends, for sleeping, for sex... OK. For football? 3 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6390 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 75 of 350 01 May 2015 at 4:52am | IP Logged | |||||||||||
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Exactly, so I generally don't spend much time on vocab. I just watch football, read net/twitter and eventually books, listen to music etc. I definitely spend much less time on Anki than you do ;D
edit: I mean I care only about gaining comprehension asap, but not active vocab or accurate grammar. And I specifically meant that with input only you'd have the same if not better comprehension in Spanish after a year, but your productive skills wouldn't be where they, according to you, already are. Edited by Serpent on 01 May 2015 at 4:58am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| basica Senior Member Australia Joined 3329 days ago 157 posts - 269 votes Studies: Serbian | Message 76 of 350 01 May 2015 at 6:00am | IP Logged | |||||||||||
Thanks for the spreadsheet. This is actually much simpler than the method I was using which was basically a python script that I used in the terminal - plus it didn't have a pie chart! So I might use this instead. 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| rdearman Senior Member United Kingdom rdearman.orgRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5029 days ago 881 posts - 1812 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Italian, French, Mandarin | Message 77 of 350 01 May 2015 at 2:41pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||
O M G !!!!!! What a brilliant idea! I'm studying Mandarin and I spend a lot of time writing the characters on a grid paper. But it would be far more effective to do this by tracing over the characters which are "pre-printed". How do you figure out the stroke order though? And what fonts; are there handwriting fonts for Chinese? This is such a bloody good idea! 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| smallwhite Pentaglot Senior Member Australia Joined 5101 days ago 537 posts - 1045 votes Speaks: Cantonese*, English, Mandarin, French, Spanish | Message 78 of 350 02 May 2015 at 12:17am | IP Logged | |||||||||||
L O L !!!!!!
Only teachers care about stroke order. Real people write in all sorts of stroke order. The only rules we remember from school are: * stroke directions (up to down, left to write) (no one writes hyphens from right to left) * to start a character top-left-ish and to end it bottom-right-ish. This is often open to interpretation, and real people improvise. That's for Chinese. Japanese stroke order I did look at it a bit, didn't think I'd be able to remember it, didn't want to mess up my vague memory of Chinese stroke order, so I don't worry about it. I have good and neat Chinese handwriting so that's good enough.
There are handwriting fonts, I've seen them on posters and CD covers, but I wasn't able to get hold of them. So I just use MS Gothic or something similar, because it's neat and quite life-like. Something like Trebuchet or Microsoft Sans Serif for English; like Arial but fatter and smoother. I actually print pale red words instead of pale grey, because my HP printer uses 3-colour-in-1 ink boxes, and there's always red ink left over. All my notes are in pink, too, LOL. Oh, and do do both: tracing over pre-printed words, and writing them out yourself. They're 2 different learning techniques in Chinese calligraphy. The former is called 摹, the latter 临. Tracing (摹) works better and is actually easier, so there's no reason to torture yourself 临ing in the beginning. Edited by smallwhite on 02 May 2015 at 12:24am 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| 1e4e6 Octoglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4083 days ago 1013 posts - 1588 votes Speaks: English*, French, Spanish, Portuguese, Norwegian, Dutch, Swedish, Italian Studies: German, Danish, Russian, Catalan | Message 79 of 350 02 May 2015 at 12:33am | IP Logged | |||||||||||
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I must say that the method looks very organised, but the Excel thing is probably what is
the real challenge. It took me over a month to make a simple two-plot-line graph several years ago for an assignment in university, and still do not know how to make entries for a distillation column. I still cannot do one-column entries in Excel, so I am impressed by what I see here. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| rdearman Senior Member United Kingdom rdearman.orgRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5029 days ago 881 posts - 1812 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Italian, French, Mandarin | Message 80 of 350 02 May 2015 at 12:50am | IP Logged | |||||||||||
That is really good advice. I made myself a couple of sheets today, and it occurred to me I should leave the last couple of grids in the row blank so I could write it freestyle. So it did occur to me to do both 摹 and 临 although I didn't know the names. ;-) I have a black and white laser, so grey is good for me. I like writing on paper, it just seems to stick in the head a little more than ANKI. Thank you very much for two really useful ideas! I'll probably do the spreadsheet thing for a little while with the spreadsheets I created to import Chinese characters into ANKI, it will help me with my pinyin also, since I have to use that to get the character. Anyway, thanks for some great tips on efficiency. If you have any more let us all know, lord knows I need all the help I can get! 2 persons have voted this message useful |
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