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| s_allard Triglot Senior Member Canada Joined 5223 days ago 2704 posts - 5425 votes  Speaks: French*, English, Spanish Studies: Polish | Message 201 of 350 19 May 2015 at 4:27pm | IP Logged | |||||
I'd be curious to know what theory was mentioned to the French neighbour. Do I really have to quote what I said? "Memorizing that list is useless. Instead, I could use that list to orient my learning of French verbs. Those are the ones I would explore first". I totally agree with the neighbour. Of course, one should memorize all irregular verb forms. Memoriziation is certainly good for people who are learning a language. The question is what do you memorize. Do you memorize a list of the 100 most common French verbs or do you memorize the forms of the 100 most common French verbs? 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4500 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish | Message 202 of 350 19 May 2015 at 4:31pm | IP Logged | |||||
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I memorize neither. I memorize grammar patterns and guidelines so I can form the right
forms on the spot, and I form patterns for irregular verbs as well (because you can always somehow categorise them due to some phonological rule. There are some exceptions, but they are the minority). 4 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| smallwhite Pentaglot Senior Member Australia Joined 5101 days ago 537 posts - 1045 votes Speaks: Cantonese*, English, Mandarin, French, Spanish | Message 203 of 350 19 May 2015 at 4:40pm | IP Logged | |||||
So is this better? LOL. HIS 他的 PHONE 電話 CAR 汽車 PICKLE 酸瓜 BOOK 書本 FRENCHMAN 法國人 IN 在 OR 或 OVER 超過 UNDER 之下 RANDOM 隨機 RADIO 收音機 DOG 狗 CAT 貓 HORSE 馬 CHICKEN 雞 PILLOW 枕頭 BOAT 船 OAR 船槳 I had no idea how to write this 2nd character and had to look up a dico LOL GRASS 草 TREE 樹 LEAF 葉 Edited by smallwhite on 19 May 2015 at 4:43pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6390 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 204 of 350 19 May 2015 at 4:49pm | IP Logged | |||||
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The verb forms aren't even that difficult when you already speak an inflected language, especially a related one. In Spanish I've picked up most forms naturally. In Portuguese I used to spend a lot of time conjugating verbs but I'm not sure it was all that efficient.
Oh and yeah, many people really do hate using grammar books. I do, mostly because the sentences are so helplessly boring. Plus the same reasons as I discussed in Josquin's log. 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| Ezy Ryder Diglot Senior Member Poland youtube.com/user/Kat Joined 4142 days ago 284 posts - 387 votes Speaks: Polish*, English Studies: Mandarin, Japanese | Message 205 of 350 19 May 2015 at 4:52pm | IP Logged | |||||
Well, the natives may not always do everything right. Just look at how the Chinese are taught the characters, or the Polish how to spell... @s_allard I actually didn't know the word "oar." And English is the target language for some people here. As to what memorizing your list will give you - when you see them in use, you won't need to look them up. Which should make the activity more smooth and pleasant. Edited by Ezy Ryder on 19 May 2015 at 4:54pm 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| daegga Tetraglot Senior Member Austria lang-8.com/553301 Joined 4314 days ago 1076 posts - 1792 votes Speaks: German*, EnglishC2, Swedish, Norwegian Studies: Danish, French, Finnish, Icelandic | Message 206 of 350 19 May 2015 at 4:54pm | IP Logged | |||||
I only know for Germanic languages, but most of those allegedly irregular verbs are of course not irregular at all (and it must be similar for other indoeuropean languages). It's just that teachers like to call everything irregular that doesn't fit the main pattern and where the amount of words in the particular class is so small that you can actually learn them by heart - I guess it makes their job easier not having to explain "difficult" things. And it has caught on. Edited by daegga on 19 May 2015 at 4:56pm 4 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| rdearman Senior Member United Kingdom rdearman.orgRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5029 days ago 881 posts - 1812 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Italian, French, Mandarin | Message 207 of 350 19 May 2015 at 5:09pm | IP Logged | |||||
Yes, it will help. Yes you should learn them. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| s_allard Triglot Senior Member Canada Joined 5223 days ago 2704 posts - 5425 votes Speaks: French*, English, Spanish Studies: Polish | Message 208 of 350 19 May 2015 at 5:39pm | IP Logged | |||||
This is the key point here. Learning lists of unknown words in advance will "make the activity smooth and pleasant" because you don't need to look them up. This is certainly true if we mean "learning unknown words". We're talking here about learning lists of words. For example, do you learn a list of 100 French verb infinitives or do you learn how to conjugate those 100 verbs? Or, as an alternative, do you learn to conjugate the verbs as you meet them? I gave the example of a structured approach used to approach the learning of Spanish vocabulary in a book I mentioned above. This I think can work well. If something like this were available in Polish, I would certainly go for it. On the other hand, the idea of leaning lists of words put together higgledy-piggledy just in case you come across them is to me very inefficient. Now, the interesting thing is that I the learner will certainly be learning vocabulary every day. As I explore the language I'll certainly may be learning 15 words of Polish a day. But I'm learning them organically, as I learn the language. Why try to learn things randomly in the hope that I'll meet them some day? 1 person has voted this message useful |
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