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| smallwhite Pentaglot Senior Member Australia Joined 5101 days ago 537 posts - 1045 votes  Speaks: Cantonese*, English, Mandarin, French, Spanish | Message 89 of 350 15 May 2015 at 7:51pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
If you don't want to SRS, or you're not learning to produce output like I am, then of course my calculations do not apply to you, are totally irrelevant to you, and you and I cannot be compared. If you're not doing what I'm doing, why are you even comparing your work with mine, your efficiency with mine??
The very first sentence I wrote on this thread was:
I know to add disclaimers now, but I can't repeat every background info in every post...? 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| daegga Tetraglot Senior Member Austria lang-8.com/553301 Joined 4314 days ago 1076 posts - 1792 votes Speaks: German*, EnglishC2, Swedish, Norwegian Studies: Danish, French, Finnish, Icelandic | Message 90 of 350 15 May 2015 at 8:00pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
I understood that. Let me rephrase. So this 2 seconds is the average amount of time you spent on a card. The average is rather sensitive to outliers. And you previously reported that you fail cards occasionally, although your error rate is quite low. When I fail a card, this is usually preceeded by a rather large amount of time trying to figure out the meaning of the word (I'm usually plagued by the tip-of-the-tongue syndrome, so I keep thinking instead of giving up), but even I have an implicit upper limit where I will give up and just fail the card. How long do you think is this maximum time you are willing to spend on a card if you don't immediately know the answer? Or rather, what is the longest time you spent on a single repetition with your system (I'm aware that this will just be a guessing)? This is what I meant with the timeout. Edited by daegga on 15 May 2015 at 8:02pm 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| smallwhite Pentaglot Senior Member Australia Joined 5101 days ago 537 posts - 1045 votes Speaks: Cantonese*, English, Mandarin, French, Spanish | Message 91 of 350 15 May 2015 at 8:03pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
I type. (Or else it'd take even less than 2 seconds). Never thought about pronouncing out loud, I'll try that. Right now I pronounce in my head, as I type. I type the gender as well. "der Wind", "la rose". I guess I do 2.5 of those 3 because the pronunciation is just in my head. If I'm at my computer, sometimes I'd have the radio on at the back. Especially when there's a large backlog of easy cards to be done. In my first Italian deck I didn't put in the gender, but it felt really weird and I kept typing it in, because all my other decks have it. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Ezy Ryder Diglot Senior Member Poland youtube.com/user/Kat Joined 4142 days ago 284 posts - 387 votes Speaks: Polish*, English Studies: Mandarin, Japanese | Message 92 of 350 15 May 2015 at 8:05pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Think of it this way: when you're listening, you have less than half a second per word on
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| smallwhite Pentaglot Senior Member Australia Joined 5101 days ago 537 posts - 1045 votes Speaks: Cantonese*, English, Mandarin, French, Spanish | Message 93 of 350 15 May 2015 at 8:19pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
I don't mean to rush through my reps as fast as possible. I just do it at a comfortable speed, and that speed happens to be 2s/rep. So, I don't have a concept of "max time I'm willing to invest". But in any case, I don't seem to get much tip-of-the-tongue problem. Usually I (1) have no idea at all, or I (2) confidently type in a wrong answer and then have no idea what else to try. Maybe I've gotten used to the rythym. So I give up quickly on a card. Note, though, I believe that it's better to design methods based on concrete goals, principles, believes and whatnot. I believe that revision-by-answering-questions is effective, but I know that revision-by-looking-directly-at-the-answer does work, too. I don't feel obliged to do all my revision and every one of my cards by answering questions. If I fail a card, I look at the answer, and that's a form of revision, too. So I don't sweat it. Edited by smallwhite on 15 May 2015 at 8:22pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| smallwhite Pentaglot Senior Member Australia Joined 5101 days ago 537 posts - 1045 votes Speaks: Cantonese*, English, Mandarin, French, Spanish | Message 94 of 350 15 May 2015 at 8:30pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
I rely on other tools to practise listening, but I did drill a list of words once: in preparation for the exam, I had the computer read random numbers to me, one after another, and I had to try to understand them. It was torture, LOL, but did work. Edited by smallwhite on 15 May 2015 at 8:31pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6390 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 95 of 350 15 May 2015 at 9:35pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
To me this is where it turned into overgeneralization. Even if we limit it to Spanish, you still can't do just any 8000 cards. I doubt it's doable/useful for a non-beginner, for example. And I personally believe that a beginner who already knows French can pick 3000 relatively hard Spanish words out of your 8000 and get the rest through input. Also, I think you're facing so much incredulity because you appear to ignore the usual "add only a small number of words per day" guideline. How do you avoid having to answer more and more cards every day? And I guess standard Anki/Memrise routine kinda makes it sound like lots of users of these systems do 8000+ single-word cards per year. Maybe our reality just differs here. (I produce output too, I just don't rush it. And I do some minimal SRS based on completely different principles) 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| smallwhite Pentaglot Senior Member Australia Joined 5101 days ago 537 posts - 1045 votes Speaks: Cantonese*, English, Mandarin, French, Spanish | Message 96 of 350 15 May 2015 at 10:09pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
I knew this gap between you and I would never close. That's why I asked you to simply tell me what you prefer to see from me.
I don't think that's the reason, but anyway, how do I handle the piling up. Well, ask that Swedish guy, he did more cards in less than half my time. Or read his posts, it says the minutes. I don't know how I handled. I worked when I wanted to, and didn't work when I didn't want to. This Forgetting Curve thing and this Multiplier / Interval thing is just based on statistics. They're averages. They are not exact predictors of what and when you will forget. Doing a rep doesn't guarantee remembering, and missing a rep doesn't guarantee forgetting. I don't sweat it. I don't sweat anything about my cards. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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