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| rdearman Senior Member United Kingdom rdearman.orgRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5028 days ago 881 posts - 1812 votes  Speaks: English* Studies: Italian, French, Mandarin | Message 81 of 350 02 May 2015 at 12:53am | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||
I have done an excel spreadsheet which is loosely based on smallwhites method. I tried to put it on google drive but it kept messing up the conditional formating. So if you want to download it and have a go it is here: Vocabulary.xlsx 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||||||||
| rdearman Senior Member United Kingdom rdearman.orgRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5028 days ago 881 posts - 1812 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Italian, French, Mandarin | Message 82 of 350 02 May 2015 at 3:31pm | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||
Just in case anyone else wants an example spreadsheet, I've put a copy of my calligraphy spreadsheet here for download. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||||||||
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6389 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 83 of 350 15 May 2015 at 5:20pm | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||
Thought I'd reply here.
To me the difference is that the thread implied "what is your daily routine for vocab learning?" But as I said, I had no problem with your (smallwhite's) original post, only with the implication that this is doable with any single-word deck and that if you can't do a card every 2 sec you're not efficient enough. When you said "that's how SRS works, that's what all Memrisers and Ankiers are doing". This doesn't mean that we don't want to hear about learners who are too successful. I'm sorry but it might be the opposite - that you are seen as focusing too much on wordcounting/SRS stats and making assumptions that aren't true for others. I never said you shouldn't speak of your experience, but since you keep asking how to be received better, let me just point out that many of your responses have been snarky and basically saying that everyone is inefficient if they can't (or don't want!) to learn 8000 isolated words in a few months. But you admitted it yourself that you eventually get sick of it and burned out. Nobody pressures you to change your method, though - just to be honest about its weak points. edit:
SRS is not the only way to achieve that. Scriptorium, lyricstraining or simply writing also do the trick. Reading (especially intensive or aloud) also helps a lot. Edited by Serpent on 15 May 2015 at 7:30pm 5 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||||||||
| smallwhite Pentaglot Senior Member Australia Joined 5100 days ago 537 posts - 1045 votes Speaks: Cantonese*, English, Mandarin, French, Spanish | Message 84 of 350 15 May 2015 at 6:28pm | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||
I did not say that. I probably mentioned these in separate posts, but what happened was the cards would become too easy and boring after about 3 months, and I'd stop. I also (used to) stop when I switch to learn another language. I think I also mentioned somewhere, that I grow out of cards really fast (ie. they become too easy for me really fast) because they allow me to read well, and when you read well you don't need to keep drilling the same cards for long. So, yes, I did say I stop when I get sick of a deck, but that's not because of burnout, but instead, because of good progress.
That was in response to someone thinking my stats were specific to me, and I said no. 15 reps per year, card takes 6 seconds to flip, etc, were generic figures. I wasn't implying anything about ideal learning efficiency.
Well, yes and no. If I say "I use Excel, it takes only 2 seconds, it's efficient", then, yes, in a way I'm also saying "apps that take more than 2 seconds to do the same thing are less efficient". If you have to rephrase it that way, then yes. But if you are not after efficiency, if efficiency is not your top priority, you'll just have to accept the fact that there are other people on earth who are more efficient that you are, and you can't feel bad about not being the most efficient, no? And yes, I do think it's *doable* at 2 sec/card like you wrote. Most people *choose* not to do it, but it is *doable*. And as far as I've seen, 2 sec is the most efficient, so anything more than that, including Memrise that I've been using since last year, is less efficient. [Don't know how to conclude this paragraph. You can do reps in 2 seconds each. You can buy apples at 2 dollars each. What's wrong with saying that?] One thing I did say, though, directly or indirectly, is that while you may prefer to answer cards slowly (eg. 20 seconds each), for me it worked just as well to answer quickly (eg. 2 seconds each). Yes, I did say that. And that's exactly what I want to share. I want people to give it a go, try 2 secs instead of 20. You might end up with 2, you might end up with 10; either way you'll gain. Yes, I did share that. And that's a good thing, no...? Edited by smallwhite on 15 May 2015 at 6:34pm 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||||||||
| daegga Tetraglot Senior Member Austria lang-8.com/553301 Joined 4313 days ago 1076 posts - 1792 votes Speaks: German*, EnglishC2, Swedish, Norwegian Studies: Danish, French, Finnish, Icelandic | Message 85 of 350 15 May 2015 at 7:16pm | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||
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This basically means setting a timeout for answering cards, right? Either you are disciplined enough that you count the card as failed when you don't immediately know the answer, or you would modify Anki et al. to automatically fail the card after say 4 seconds. Edited by daegga on 15 May 2015 at 7:16pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||||||||
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6389 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 86 of 350 15 May 2015 at 7:18pm | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||
HTLAL is about the overall efficiency, not the specific kind of vocab efficiency. Why are you assuming that everyone's way to be more efficient is the same? I'm pretty much the opposite of you, for me learning the vocab actively is a waste of time because with enough input I'll know the words anyway. And we all need input regardless of what else we do. I acknowledge that my method isn't the best for those who want or need to speak asap (although usually this need only applies to one language)
It's doable with the common Spanish and German words. This doesn't mean you can do any other set of cards and it'll work. A real-life example: my friend, an experienced learner who speaks Russian, Ukrainian, English and German, tried to use Anki to drill Finnish and Greek vocab, with the plan of learning the grammar later. I didn't see her message immediately and when I replied 3-4 days later that it was a bad idea, she had already come to the same conclusion. But she was experienced enough to see that this didn't work. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||||||||
| smallwhite Pentaglot Senior Member Australia Joined 5100 days ago 537 posts - 1045 votes Speaks: Cantonese*, English, Mandarin, French, Spanish | Message 87 of 350 15 May 2015 at 7:33pm | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||
I don't use Anki, I use an Excel file similar to the one rdearman posted in message 81. 2 sec/card was an average I got by timing myself. It's what happened, not what I aim to do. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||||||||
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6389 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 88 of 350 15 May 2015 at 7:49pm | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||
Not all improvement is quantifiable and obvious. If you type a word, you're more likely to remember the spelling. If you pronounce it aloud, you're more likely to pronounce it correctly and use it in speech. If you think of the gender, you're less likely to make gender mistakes. How many of these can be done in 2 sec? 2 persons have voted this message useful |
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