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| Dana7 Tetraglot Newbie United States Joined 6408 days ago 32 posts - 38 votes Speaks: English*, German, Spanish, French | Message 57 of 131 05 December 2007 at 8:51pm | IP Logged | |||||
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There are a ton of British, Irish, and Australian actors whose American accents are so good I can never believe that they aren't American. There aren't as many differences between varieties of English as there are between different languages, of course, but at least it proves that it's not impossible to use another accent flawlessly.
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 Hencke Tetraglot Moderator Spain Joined 6895 days ago 2340 posts - 2444 votes  Speaks: Swedish*, Finnish, EnglishC2, Spanish Studies: Mandarin Personal Language Map | Message 58 of 131 06 December 2007 at 5:24am | IP Logged | |||||
Interesting to read virgule, and thanks for sharing. But would you mind telling us which is your native language, and which is the target language that you have achieved a native accent in? 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| Hencke Tetraglot Moderator Spain Joined 6895 days ago 2340 posts - 2444 votes Speaks: Swedish*, Finnish, EnglishC2, Spanish Studies: Mandarin Personal Language Map | Message 59 of 131 06 December 2007 at 5:42am | IP Logged | |||||
I'd agree. And most of all they need to be willing to put in all the hard work to get there. A lot of people just don't realise how much effort it takes, and if they did, most of them would not be willing to pay the price. It seems the majority are content to just get on with it and use the language, in whatever way they can, never mind how thick their accents are and unaware what an obstacle to communication it is. And it's all too easy to find excuses to convince yourself that it's "impossible". 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| slucido Bilingual Diglot Senior Member Spain https://goo.gl/126Yv Joined 6676 days ago 1296 posts - 1781 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Spanish*, Catalan* Studies: English | Message 60 of 131 06 December 2007 at 5:52am | IP Logged | |||||
Sure you can find people who live in your country and speak English with awful pronunciation. I find a lot of people who has been living in Spain for years and speak Spanish very bad or with strong foreing accent. That's out of the question. I am talking about the average learner and no about gifted or extraordinary ones. I mean if people don't live a few years in their target language country, with full immersion, is very very difficult to achieve a native pronunciation for the average learner. And sure, a lot of people don't achieve this native like pronunciation in spite of living in the foreign country. Maybe native pronunciation is possible to the average learner without living in the country, but if the target language is their profession. I mean 8-10 hours with the target language every day and for years. Edited by slucido on 06 December 2007 at 5:56am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Zhuangzi Nonaglot Language Program Publisher Senior Member Canada lingq.com Joined 7029 days ago 646 posts - 688 votes Speaks: English*, French, Japanese, Swedish, Mandarin, Cantonese, German, Italian, Spanish Studies: Russian | Message 61 of 131 06 December 2007 at 10:23am | IP Logged | |||||
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Slucido,
I simply do not agree. It depends on the attitude and effort of the learner. Yo can create your own language environment, wherever you are. You can listen all the time on your MP3 player. You need to be willing to play act, and to leave the comfort of our own language and culture. We simply have too many immigrants here with heavy accents to suggest that living in the country is the solution to accent reduction. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Volte Tetraglot Senior Member Switzerland Joined 6440 days ago 4474 posts - 6726 votes Speaks: English*, Esperanto, German, Italian Studies: French, Finnish, Mandarin, Japanese | Message 62 of 131 06 December 2007 at 10:45am | IP Logged | |||||
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I have to agree with Zhuangzi: living in an area that speaks your target language, it is perfectly possible to maintain a strong foreign accent; I've done so. What he says about being able to achieve a near-native accent without living in an area where the language is spoken is fascinating, though, and I don't think it's fair to dismiss as something "out of the reach of the average learner", available only to the gifted or extraordinary, without having a better idea of how to do it.
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| slucido Bilingual Diglot Senior Member Spain https://goo.gl/126Yv Joined 6676 days ago 1296 posts - 1781 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Spanish*, Catalan* Studies: English | Message 63 of 131 06 December 2007 at 11:32am | IP Logged | |||||
I understand what you are saying, but people has to work maybe 8 or 10 hours every day and people had children. People usually spend those hours talking in their own language. On the other hand, people like me get a phenomenal headaches using mp3 player more than 45 minutes every day.
Most of them are living in ghettos. It is not full immersion in the country. Please,I am not saying is the solution, but one necessary condition for the average learner to achieve "native" pronunciation. And not only living, but full immersion into the country. On the other hand, I am sure the average learner will fail to get native pronunciation in spite full immersion. Actually, average people fail to learn any language at all. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| slucido Bilingual Diglot Senior Member Spain https://goo.gl/126Yv Joined 6676 days ago 1296 posts - 1781 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Spanish*, Catalan* Studies: English | Message 64 of 131 06 December 2007 at 11:45am | IP Logged | |||||
I agree with you. You can live years in a country and don't get native pronunciation. In fact, you can live years in a country and do not learn the language at all. We are not talking about "near-native" pronunciation, but "native"pronunciation. This is an impossible goal for the average learner. And yes is fascinating... all fantasies are. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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