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| Zhuangzi Nonaglot Language Program Publisher Senior Member Canada lingq.com Joined 6816 days ago 646 posts - 688 votes  Speaks: English*, French, Japanese, Swedish, Mandarin, Cantonese, German, Italian, Spanish Studies: Russian | Message 97 of 131 08 December 2007 at 12:11pm | IP Logged | |||||
Very individual. This does not work for me. I have not interest in songs. I like text with words, more and more words, and the sound of the spoken voice, without the interference of music. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
 jeff_lindqvist Diglot Moderator SwedenRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6697 days ago 4250 posts - 5710 votes Speaks: Swedish*, English Studies: German, Spanish, Russian, Dutch, Mandarin, Esperanto, Irish, French Personal Language Map | Message 98 of 131 08 December 2007 at 12:24pm | IP Logged | |||||
Yes, that's my thought as well. Listening to known material repeatedly as well as mixing that with new material. However, if I at a somewhat later stage should decide to focus more on pronunciation (for whatever reason), I think I would give the chorus method a chance, just as I've practised certain musical phrases over and over again to make sure I could play them back accurately. I won't say it is a question of either/or, more a question of where at the scale you'd like to start. I would not start with chorusing right away (at least not as my main method), but not be completely silent either. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| jeff_lindqvist Diglot Moderator SwedenRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6697 days ago 4250 posts - 5710 votes Speaks: Swedish*, English Studies: German, Spanish, Russian, Dutch, Mandarin, Esperanto, Irish, French Personal Language Map | Message 99 of 131 08 December 2007 at 12:28pm | IP Logged | |||||
I don't do this. I don't think that the sung language sounds as the spoken language, with differences in pronunciation in order to match the rhythm. 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
 Hencke Tetraglot Moderator Spain Joined 6682 days ago 2340 posts - 2444 votes Speaks: Swedish*, Finnish, EnglishC2, Spanish Studies: Mandarin Personal Language Map | Message 100 of 131 08 December 2007 at 12:38pm | IP Logged | |||||
I'd be curious to know why you should think of it as the best way? It provides next to no help at all with prosody, which is the biggest part of a native accent, since the natural intonation and rhytm patterns of normal speech are just not there. The phonemes (sounds) used can end up slightly different when sung as well and the music will get in the way of concentrating on them, or even hearing them properly. But listening to songs in the target language is good as entertainment, especially if you like music, and it can help with motivation and give a taste of the culture, and contribute to vocabulary and grammar patterns. I see it as a relaxing complement to my "real" studies. 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| slucido Bilingual Diglot Senior Member Spain https://goo.gl/126Yv Joined 6463 days ago 1296 posts - 1781 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Spanish*, Catalan* Studies: English | Message 101 of 131 08 December 2007 at 1:37pm | IP Logged | |||||
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I know chorusing approach is very boring, but I ask about efficiency. Perhaps its worth the torture if it is very efficient.
I reminds me of Linguamor. He claimed that her partner had learned Spanish in two steps: 1-Pimsleur 1,2 and 3. 2-Two hours Spanish TV every day for three months. At the beginning he didn't understand and, after three months, he was fluent. The step 1 is boring, but they second step is extremely boring if you only understand 5 or 10% of the L2 speech I know is boring, but its worth it if its possible to achieve fluency in that short period of time. Maybe it worth the torture. Same with the chorusing approach. Maybe it's mortal boring, but is it extremely efficient for pronunciation? 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Zhuangzi Nonaglot Language Program Publisher Senior Member Canada lingq.com Joined 6816 days ago 646 posts - 688 votes Speaks: English*, French, Japanese, Swedish, Mandarin, Cantonese, German, Italian, Spanish Studies: Russian | Message 102 of 131 08 December 2007 at 1:47pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Boring tasks will not be effective. The key element to success in language learning is enjoyment. If you like what you do you will learn, and you will do a lot of it.
What people find enjoyable will vary. I find Pimsleur not enjoyable but can tolerate Assimil Russian or did, at least listening to the texts and then reading the French where I needed it. I cannot watch TV or movies that I do not understand. I prefer to listen and read, staying with content that is only a little difficult for me. If you can almost meet the challenge, you will experience achievement and enjoyment in the task. IMHO. Edited by Zhuangzi on 08 December 2007 at 1:47pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6385 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 103 of 131 08 December 2007 at 4:09pm | IP Logged | |||||
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| anjathilina Diglot Newbie United States Joined 6392 days ago 33 posts - 106 votes Speaks: English*, Japanese Studies: Spanish, Mandarin Studies: Hindi | Message 104 of 131 08 December 2007 at 6:30pm | IP Logged | |||||
I agree. Listening to music in Mandarin, while enjoyable, is especially useless for me because I can't hear the tones at all. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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