Arekkusu Hexaglot Senior Member Canada bit.ly/qc_10_lec Joined 5304 days ago 3971 posts - 7747 votes ![](/images/pokal.2.jpg) ![](/images/pokal.2.jpg) ![](/images/pokal.2.jpg) ![](/images/pokal.2.jpg) Speaks: English, French*, GermanC1, Spanish, Japanese, Esperanto Studies: Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Estonian
| Message 113 of 222 06 April 2010 at 5:31pm | IP Logged |
Cainntear wrote:
Arekkusu wrote:
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I really did enjoy creating the initial lists though. I may try this method again with a much shorter wait time, such as 1 week or a few days. |
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That would defeat the purpose of the system, though. |
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If the creator of the system can't provide anything other than anecdotal evidence/opinion to support his assertion of the most effective way of doing it, surely ALS is free to experiment with it himself? |
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He is free to experiment on anything he pleases, but then it's not longer the "Goldlist Method".
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Splog Diglot Senior Member Czech Republic anthonylauder.c Joined 5592 days ago 1062 posts - 3263 votes ![](/images/pokal.2.jpg) ![](/images/pokal.2.jpg) ![](/images/pokal.2.jpg) ![](/images/pokal.2.jpg) Speaks: English*, Czech Studies: Mandarin
| Message 114 of 222 06 April 2010 at 6:47pm | IP Logged |
Arekkusu wrote:
As I said in previous posts, my initial list takes so long for me to put together that I have very little time to study them if I am to stick to the 20-minute rule. I'm no so sure what to do about that yet. |
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Yes - that is a very good point - creating the first version of a list of 25 words that I don't know always takes me at least an hour, including finding words to add and looking up their meaning then writing them down. I don't see how it could be managed in 20 minutes. For later distillations, though, 20 minute is reasonable.
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Arekkusu Hexaglot Senior Member Canada bit.ly/qc_10_lec Joined 5304 days ago 3971 posts - 7747 votes ![](/images/pokal.2.jpg) ![](/images/pokal.2.jpg) ![](/images/pokal.2.jpg) ![](/images/pokal.2.jpg) Speaks: English, French*, GermanC1, Spanish, Japanese, Esperanto Studies: Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Estonian
| Message 115 of 222 06 April 2010 at 6:59pm | IP Logged |
Splog wrote:
Arekkusu wrote:
As I said in previous posts, my initial list takes so long for me to put together that I have very little time to study them if I am to stick to the 20-minute rule. I'm no so sure what to do about that yet. |
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Yes - that is a very good point - creating the first version of a list of 25 words that I don't know always takes me at least an hour, including finding words to add and looking up their meaning then writing them down. I don't see how it could be managed in 20 minutes. For later distillations, though, 20 minute is reasonable. |
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Since you might have already been exposed in the past to some of the words you include in the list, I can't imagine why writing up the list first, taking a break, and only then spending 20 minutes to study them would be a problem. Or else we could make up the list on a separate sheet and include the transcription onto a new definite list as part of the 20-minute period.
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whipback Groupie United States Joined 5517 days ago 91 posts - 118 votes ![](/images/pokal.2.jpg) Speaks: English* Studies: Dutch, French
| Message 116 of 222 07 April 2010 at 10:50pm | IP Logged |
I am using the method now. I like it, but I have to say, I almost never remember 30% of the words. Sometimes I remember 0 words. I do eventually learn the words, but I almost never remember 30%. I don't understand why I don't though.
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Splog Diglot Senior Member Czech Republic anthonylauder.c Joined 5592 days ago 1062 posts - 3263 votes ![](/images/pokal.2.jpg) ![](/images/pokal.2.jpg) ![](/images/pokal.2.jpg) ![](/images/pokal.2.jpg) Speaks: English*, Czech Studies: Mandarin
| Message 117 of 222 08 April 2010 at 10:30am | IP Logged |
Arekkusu wrote:
Since you might have already been exposed in the past to some of the words you include in the list, I can't imagine why writing up the list first, taking a break, and only then spending 20 minutes to study them would be a problem. Or else we could make up the list on a separate sheet and include the transcription onto a new definite list as part of the 20-minute period. |
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I agree. The Goldlist method, though, doesn't mention the need for this up-front effort. It starts with the assumption that the first version of a list needs only 20 minutes - whereas it usually needs much more preparatory work (such as creating a list on a separate sheet beforehand - which is, in effect, another prior pass at writing out the list).
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rad Newbie United States Joined 5537 days ago 18 posts - 23 votes Speaks: French
| Message 118 of 222 18 April 2010 at 3:51pm | IP Logged |
What do you think? Would this method be useful shortly after beginning a language, or would it be better to wait until a person was closer to intermediate level?
I'm a few weeks into beginning Arabic, going very slowly. I seem to do okay with short words 3-4 letters, but anything longer requires painful sounding out. Words from the lesson come in batches of 8-10 with seemingly enough practice. Until I turn the page.
If using Gold List at the beginning seems good, would it be advisable to keep the lists shorter, say 10-20 words at a time
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whipback Groupie United States Joined 5517 days ago 91 posts - 118 votes ![](/images/pokal.2.jpg) Speaks: English* Studies: Dutch, French
| Message 119 of 222 01 May 2010 at 6:46pm | IP Logged |
I just don't understand! This is my second time trying The Gold List Method and my second time failing. I was able to eliminate 0 words in my last head list and all of my other head lists I had to rely on combing the imperfective and perfective verbs. I follow the rules and complete my list in the required time. I don't understand what to do. How can this method work for so many people, but not me? I'm very confused. Does anyone have any tips or new versions of this method?
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Pyx Diglot Senior Member China Joined 5658 days ago 670 posts - 892 votes ![](/images/pokal.2.jpg) ![](/images/pokal.2.jpg) ![](/images/pokal.2.jpg) Speaks: German*, English Studies: Mandarin
| Message 120 of 222 02 May 2010 at 1:53am | IP Logged |
whipback wrote:
I just don't understand! This is my second time trying The Gold List Method and my second time failing. I was able to eliminate 0 words in my last head list and all of my other head lists I had to rely on combing the imperfective and perfective verbs. I follow the rules and complete my list in the required time. I don't understand what to do. How can this method work for so many people, but not me? I'm very confused. Does anyone have any tips or new versions of this method? |
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Why should everything work for everybody? Why don't you go looking for a method that actually does work for you, instead of insisting that it has to be this one?
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