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Has anybody tried the Gold List method? | ||
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| Arekkusu Hexaglot Senior Member Canada bit.ly/qc_10_lec Joined 5382 days ago 3971 posts - 7747 votes  Speaks: English, French*, GermanC1, Spanish, Japanese, Esperanto Studies: Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Estonian | Message 129 of 222 28 September 2010 at 8:46pm | IP Logged | |||||
Huliganov, it appears no one here has had any success with your method. Why do you think this is not working for us when it seems to be an awesome method for you (and presumably others)? 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| ericspinelli Diglot Senior Member Japan Joined 5784 days ago 249 posts - 493 votes Speaks: English*, Japanese Studies: Korean, Italian | Message 130 of 222 04 October 2010 at 4:34am | IP Logged | |||||
Can anybody go into further detail about the grammatical exercises and any other additional study that is done in conjunction with the Gold List method? In particular, are these exercises done in a manner as to purposefully avoid words added to active lists before the two week hands-off period, or does this two week period apply only to vocabulary specific study/memorization? Thank you. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| TixhiiDon Tetraglot Senior Member Japan Joined 5465 days ago 772 posts - 1474 votes Speaks: English*, Japanese, German, Russian Studies: Georgian | Message 131 of 222 09 October 2010 at 12:01am | IP Logged | |||||
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Well I've started on the first distillation of my first lists, and it seems to be working
for me. In fact it's working so well that I'm struggling to come up with 17 words to add to the first distilled list because I remembered more than 8 words of the original 25. I think perhaps the key to this method is to have at least some kind of relationship with the words you write down in the first list. For example, they may all be words from a vocab list of the chapter you've just finished in your textbook, irregular verbs that you've come across but can't remember the endings for, vocabulary that pops up quite regularly in a novel you're reading but hasn't fully sunk in yet, and so on. I'm creating all my lists in this way and I'm quite impressed with the results so far. 6 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| plaidchuck Diglot Groupie United States facebook.com/plaidchRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5306 days ago 71 posts - 93 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish | Message 132 of 222 12 October 2010 at 5:21am | IP Logged | |||||
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I'm trying this method as well for Spanish. I started on the 28th of September and I'm up to about 550 words. I'm mostly using words I didn't know from a book I'm reading, and sometimes I make a 25 word list of idioms and other vocab from videos/movies/assimil/etc. I usually do about 3 lists or so a day, depending on time I have to kill. Writing the list does take a bit of time, usually about 30 minutes, so sometimes I'll actually write half of the list and come back later and finish it.. so as a disclaimer that may skew my results somewhat in one direction or the other.
Either way the 14 days will be up for the first day of lists this week, and the question will be how soon do I check them and the subsequent days of lists... 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| Cainntear Pentaglot Senior Member Scotland linguafrankly.blogsp Joined 6012 days ago 4399 posts - 7687 votes Speaks: Lowland Scots, English*, French, Spanish, Scottish Gaelic Studies: Catalan, Italian, German, Irish, Welsh | Message 133 of 222 12 October 2010 at 10:34am | IP Logged | |||||
Except that you didn't refer to any of the previous research. In the description I read, and above, you claim it comes from your observation of people using the Gold List technique*. If you do not tell people what you are basing your techniques on, then no-one can look up the arguments for themselves. Unfortunately, as you appear to have rewritten the instructions since my post, it is impossible for me to go back and quote you as I no longer have access to the text I was referring to.
I find this more worrying than reassuring. The very first thing you say in your description is "No reliance on mnemonics". Sorry, but a list is a 100% mnemonic device. As soon as you have a fixed order, each item acts as a "cue" for the next. Most people here avoid lists for fear of learning the list, not the contents. Thanks to high-school vocab lists, I confused my French strawberries and raspberries, despite spending most of the summers of my childhood in France and preferring "yaourt framboise" to "yaourt fraise". I can remember working through the list of fruits to get to the one I wanted. Because you can use a list as a lookup device in this way, I call it "the dictionary in your head". Every school class is full of people who learn to survive on the dictionary in the head, but as you say, they come out of school unable to speak. * Note: technique, not method. "Method" is used in standard terminology to refer to a complete language learning system of methodology and materials. A technique is one activity that can be used to help learn a language, but isn't a complete way to learn a language. Vocabulary is only part of language, so this can only be a technique. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| lingoleng Senior Member Germany Joined 5299 days ago 605 posts - 1290 votes | Message 134 of 222 12 October 2010 at 11:38am | IP Logged | |||||
When I came here I found the use of the word method extremely annoying, or irritating, at least. People here say method when they mean course, but the simple truth is that most courses use the same method, of course (some dialogs, some explanations, some sound files. Cool, a new method ...). If one does not accept this forolect, then there are methods for learning vocabulary, of course. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Cainntear Pentaglot Senior Member Scotland linguafrankly.blogsp Joined 6012 days ago 4399 posts - 7687 votes Speaks: Lowland Scots, English*, French, Spanish, Scottish Gaelic Studies: Catalan, Italian, German, Irish, Welsh | Message 135 of 222 12 October 2010 at 12:16pm | IP Logged | |||||
No, they use similar methodologies. Method is methodology + material. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| lingoleng Senior Member Germany Joined 5299 days ago 605 posts - 1290 votes | Message 136 of 222 12 October 2010 at 12:33pm | IP Logged | |||||
This is a strange use of the termini, again. In my (very traditional) world view methodology kind of adds a meta layer to method: It deals with methods. You think a method consists of methodologies? This is not very conventional. Well, I am aware that such discussions are not of any use, but I think people who are interested in an exact terminology should not use method as a synonym for any kind of material, as the forum usually does. You use to point out that technique is not a synonym for method, and I agree with this very much. Now if one could avoid using method for anything that can be bought or downloaded, and avoid using methodology when one means method and instead use it when one wants to talk about methods, this would be really something, but it will not happen. Edited by lingoleng on 12 October 2010 at 12:34pm 1 person has voted this message useful |
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