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| kraemder Senior Member United StatesRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5182 days ago 1497 posts - 1648 votes  Speaks: English* Studies: German, Spanish, Japanese | Message 1577 of 1702 11 January 2015 at 5:29pm | IP Logged | ||
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That deck looks interesting but he cuts way too many kanji. It's RTK 1 and RTK 3.. 1901 kanji? I just got the
6th edition of RTK 1 and that one has 2200 kanji. I'm enjoying the added kanji from the older editions so I wouldn't want to cut kanji if anything I would want to add more. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Warp3 Senior Member United States forum_posts.asp?TID= Joined 5533 days ago 1419 posts - 1766 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish, Korean, Japanese | Message 1578 of 1702 11 January 2015 at 7:00pm | IP Logged | ||
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6th edition is when they added all the new general use Kanji from the changeover, so many
sites and decks don't match the numbering for 6th edition and newer anyway. The used copy I ended up purchasing was 5th edition which fortunately has most of the "fixes" from the earlier versions but was right before they added the new Kanji and renumbered them (which also means I'll need to go through the supplement PDF afterward to pick up those additional Kanji once I'm done with RTK1). 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| kraemder Senior Member United StatesRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5182 days ago 1497 posts - 1648 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German, Spanish, Japanese | Message 1579 of 1702 17 January 2015 at 7:18am | IP Logged | ||
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Was writing a post and Safari just crashed. Safari crashes more than any other program I've ever used. It
kind of makes me regret getting a mac. Nothing to do with Japanese though. I was reading an article on Benny's blog or whatever. He was talking about how people studying huge word lists aren't doing themselves any favors because their studying isn't specific enough to give results that motivate them to do well. It makes sense. I struggle with my anki reviews and get bored. I can't say I can really think of a better way for me to increase my vocabulary however. In his article he talks about how he got better at Spanish by studying words he could use in conversations only. That's a good example but I'm beyond the beginner stage so I can more or less talk already. And I don't have opportunities to speak every day either - more like once a week. I could write blog entries in Japanese which is kind of similar though. Anyway. I'm trying think how I can make my studying more interesting to get better results. I'm currently doing anki reviews as much as I can stand and watching anime and reading the occasional article online. The only thing I'm switching up is how I test myself on Anki - do I have English definitions on side 1? Closed delete sentences? Kanji? hiragana? Currently I'm using vocab written in kanji and the example sentence. But I might change it later in an effort to get myself interested in reviews again. It kind of gets back to Benny's point that just studying to learn the language as a whole is just slow and boring and makes it hard. Maybe I"ll think of something I can do about that. One problem is that i think I do learn really well doing the Core 6k even if it is a huge boring list of vocabulary with barely any context. But the vocabulary really is more useful than what you get if you just grab everything in site out of books and articles on the internet. But word lists are so boring. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Woodsei Bilingual Diglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member United States justpaste.it/Woodsei Joined 4795 days ago 614 posts - 782 votes Speaks: English*, Arabic (Egyptian)* Studies: Russian, Japanese, Hungarian | Message 1580 of 1702 18 January 2015 at 3:00am | IP Logged | ||
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Like you said, words are only meaningful if you come across them reading, or watching
something you like, and genuinely want to know them. It makes it easier and a lot faster to learn the vocabulary, and you will not feel like it's a chore. At least that was my own experience. But how do you know what is useful/frequent, and what isn't? I'm pretty sure you already know this as you're well underway in your studies, but just as a general piece of advice, you can always scan your lists from time to time and see what you've covered, what you didn't, what to look out for, what you can do without, rather than slave away deliberately at a word list that's sucking the motivation right out of you. Another thing that is important to remember, is to know your own goals. For Benny, he wants to casually talk to people. But what about you? If your aim is to watch un- subbed anime, then I suspect you're going to need a lot more words than what Benny strives for. I'm starting to notice that conversational vocab requirements are a lot less than if you were to, say, want to read books, news, or listen to the radio. And I suspect you want to be involved with a lot of the language than Benny wants through his own goals, at least from what I've seen on your log. The important point is to figure out what you want, the niche/area of the language you're most interested in, and then work on building your vocab and understanding in that area in order to reach your goals. That also piggybacks on the fact that it's always better to set short, attainable goals that build upon each other, than to set a vague goal that does nothing but makes you procrastinate, or make you feel bored, burnt out, or advancing slowly. Benny has some good advice, but take from it what works for you, and don't let it hold you back in a negative sense. I largely only read blogs or logs that are similar to how I study so that I don't find myself conflicted, because this actually slows me down, more than anything. I don't mean to preach! I haven't been working on any active output at all, and it shows, so I have some holes to plug myself. I think you're doing great, so keep at it. And I look forward to a great year with you on the team. Edited by Woodsei on 18 January 2015 at 4:13am 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| kraemder Senior Member United StatesRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5182 days ago 1497 posts - 1648 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German, Spanish, Japanese | Message 1581 of 1702 18 January 2015 at 5:08am | IP Logged | ||
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Thanks for the feedback Woodsei. Benny's big goal is to just talk to people. He used to claim he could
achieve C1 in 3 months in any language but I think he adjusted that. I'm more or less conversational now and for a language like Japanese I would say that's a lot easier than being literate lol. But I'm also pretty proud of it and I know a lot of kanji too. Anyway, I pulled up memrise again. I had used them a lot for Korean earlier back in the semester before I decided i had to just focus on the vocab in the textbook or I'd regret it on the tests. The mems are really really helpful. When learning new Korean vocabulary the difference was night and day and it was with great reluctance that I stopped using the site and the mems. I was just going over the Japanese lists. They have a very popular N2 level course that looks like it must have good mems in there and I'm going to check that out. I was toying with the idea of not doing kanji and just focusing on vocabulary since that would help me with understanding anime anyway - I could put off kanji knowledge a bit. But then I was like that's nonsense. I know too many kanji already to go that route. The most popular vocabulary deck on there I think is the community N2 deck. Due to the way the site transitioned from beta to release or something it really doesn't test you on kanji. It includes some kanji info on side 2 so to speak but it's really incidental and off to the side. But the mems look really nice. I'm going to give it a try. But again, I don't really intend to just neglect kanji so I'm going to have to figure something out. Anyway, I'll see how I like this memrise course and go from there. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| kraemder Senior Member United StatesRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5182 days ago 1497 posts - 1648 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German, Spanish, Japanese | Message 1582 of 1702 19 January 2015 at 8:22am | IP Logged | ||
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Well I'm several hundred words into the community jlpt n2 deck and you could say I'm hooked on the mems.
It's more or less a production deck in that it prompts you with English and you have to type in the Japanese. Since you can type it in kanji I suppose you get some kanji practice. And it has lots of multiple choice of course being memrise. I'm very curious to see if the mems speed up my vocabulary acquisition and if they also help with remembering Japanese so I can increase my speaking vocabulary. Anyway it's fun and I'm hooked. I've been spending most of my free time this weekend on this deck. It's nice to be studying but having fun. 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| dampingwire Bilingual Triglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4663 days ago 1185 posts - 1513 votes Speaks: English*, Italian*, French Studies: Japanese | Message 1583 of 1702 20 January 2015 at 1:03am | IP Logged | ||
When I was using memrise regularly, the mems were what made it for me. Some of those N2 ones have stuck with me for a long time now, so they've clearly been useful. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Ezy Ryder Diglot Senior Member Poland youtube.com/user/Kat Joined 4347 days ago 284 posts - 387 votes Speaks: Polish*, English Studies: Mandarin, Japanese | Message 1584 of 1702 20 January 2015 at 1:24am | IP Logged | ||
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I remember the mems (along with the rankings) being some of the more appealing aspects, too.
For some reason it's difficult to think up a mnemonic, you wouldn't have thought about yourself... I've also noticed, that when I study normally, I often don't put much effort into mnemonics. Except for words/characters I tend to forget. So, perhaps having some mems ready to choose from can aid memorization? PS.: I still remember the mnemonic for "postcard" being "one of those weird postcards, this one saying 'go and hug a key,'" or something along these lines. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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