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 Hencke Tetraglot Moderator Spain Joined 6708 days ago 2340 posts - 2444 votes  Speaks: Swedish*, Finnish, EnglishC2, Spanish Studies: Mandarin Personal Language Map | Message 49 of 151 02 July 2009 at 11:18pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
I suppose you mean "bättre än honom", but that is another debate (and regrettably something of a lost cause I gather). The use of "han" discussed above is a totally different issue. Edited by Hencke on 02 July 2009 at 11:21pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Hencke Tetraglot Moderator Spain Joined 6708 days ago 2340 posts - 2444 votes Speaks: Swedish*, Finnish, EnglishC2, Spanish Studies: Mandarin Personal Language Map | Message 50 of 151 02 July 2009 at 11:30pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
Yes, good points, and I wasn't trying to defend it as totally correct or wanting to have it reinstated or anything. I just pointed at a historical connection that provides a certain measure of justification. Of course this justification might not pass muster if analysed in too much detail, so we better not :o). 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| cordelia0507 Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 5652 days ago 1473 posts - 2176 votes Speaks: Swedish* Studies: German, Russian | Message 51 of 151 02 July 2009 at 11:54pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Hm, yeah Hencke I might have got mixed up. 35 degrees and no aircon... Here is another example:
Jag skall gå och träffa han. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Calvino Diglot Groupie Sweden sammafllod.wordpress Joined 5780 days ago 65 posts - 66 votes 2 sounds Speaks: Swedish*, English Studies: French, Spanish, German | Message 52 of 151 03 July 2009 at 6:07am | IP Logged | ||||||||
Historically, the preposition "till" has governed the genitive. Thus, we have fossilized expressions like "till skogs", "till havs", "till äventyrs". But I see your point, of course. I do say things like "Jag gav han det", where, historically, the indirect object would be in the dative. Then again, I do not justify my use of "han" with reference to the historical distinction between the accusative and the dative. That distinction does not exist in modern Swedish, and so I find the whole point moot.
And there we have it again, that unthinking confounding of dialectal variations with errors. It's nothing but regionalist snobbism in the guise of language care. A true lover of one's native tongue, I claim, will seek to preserve and care for regional variations, not fight them with the weapons of standardization and elitism. To love one's language, I most strongly believe, is to love it as a totality, on the syn- as well as diachronic dimensions. To love the mother tongue is to love all its childrens, even the ugly ducklings. Edited by Calvino on 03 July 2009 at 6:22am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| KanadierThom Triglot Newbie Canada Joined 5790 days ago 15 posts - 17 votes Speaks: English*, German, French Studies: Icelandic | Message 53 of 151 03 July 2009 at 7:28am | IP Logged | ||||||||
People do that in Swedish too? Wow, I really thought that sort of construction was just sloppy English. It seems really weird to see the same thing in another language. Well, if it's not exactly the same it's at least similar to some things I hear in my own language. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| tricoteuse Pentaglot Senior Member Norway littlang.blogspot.co Joined 6492 days ago 745 posts - 845 votes Speaks: Swedish*, Norwegian, EnglishC1, Russian, French Studies: Ukrainian, Bulgarian | Message 54 of 151 03 July 2009 at 8:00am | IP Logged | ||||||||
Eh, you missed the part about "hardcore dialect" or what? And you can justify anything with dialect really. Just say "but it's my personal dialect!" whenever anyone corrects you. And for the record, I don't think I love Swedish to begin with... :) After living in Norway for two years, Swedish *does* sound gay. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Calvino Diglot Groupie Sweden sammafllod.wordpress Joined 5780 days ago 65 posts - 66 votes 2 sounds Speaks: Swedish*, English Studies: French, Spanish, German | Message 55 of 151 03 July 2009 at 8:46am | IP Logged | ||||||||
Well, even worse! That means you simply identify "dialectal" and "erroneous", which is even more snobbish.
Eh... no? You can't have a "personal dialect". A dialect is an established local or regional variety of a language. It needs a community of speakers, just like all language.
Well, if that's the case, I don't see why you care about (so-called) errors at all. Edited by Calvino on 03 July 2009 at 9:08am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| tricoteuse Pentaglot Senior Member Norway littlang.blogspot.co Joined 6492 days ago 745 posts - 845 votes Speaks: Swedish*, Norwegian, EnglishC1, Russian, French Studies: Ukrainian, Bulgarian | Message 56 of 151 03 July 2009 at 9:08am | IP Logged | ||||||||
Hmm... no? You do like jumping to conclusions, don't you? Oh well. I'll blame it on the Swedish school system!
What if my followers and I (or my harem and I, that'd be more fun) constitute a community?
Oh, you have to LOVE the language in order to care at all? I wasn't aware of that at all, and in that case, I guess that means I should... quit all of my languages? Or just give up the idea of correctness? 1 person has voted this message useful |
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