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| Expugnator Hexaglot Senior Member Brazil Joined 5170 days ago 3335 posts - 4349 votes  Speaks: Portuguese*, Norwegian, French, English, Italian, Papiamento Studies: Mandarin, Georgian, Russian | Message 145 of 338 26 December 2012 at 7:30pm | IP Logged |
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So, time to resume reporting (I hadn't stopped studying, just logging).
I'm done with Norwegian in Three Months which, like I said, is the best quick intro, better than TY Norwegian and Colloquial. Now I want to do the other two before moving on, mostly because of the audio (I couldn't use audio at Hugo's book).I've chosen to start with TY Norwegian because in the past I already dabbled in Colloquial Norwegian. I don't plan to bother that much with grammar explanations at TY because they are already elementary. *******TAC ANNOUNCEMENT**************************************** I'll be doing TAC 2013 for Norwegian. I'm at the great Team Viking, together with team leader Julie and godmother Solfrid Cristin. I have a very specific goal which is of gaining basic passive/reading fluency in Norwegian. I really want to be able to read Norwegian novels, starting with contemporary ones such as these by Jostein Gaarder, but going back to the classics even, as well as fairy tales. Maybe I'll achieve this goal before the end of the year. Like I said, reading is the main objective but I will still be doing a lot of listening and will try to do some writing as well. Currently I only have 30 minutes a day for studying Norwegian. I've added it as a fourth language after Chinese, Russian and Georgian. Therefore, I only use one textbook at once for Norwegian, which limits the skills that can be trained each day. Even so, I plan to alternate books that focus on conversation and those that will provide me with a more solid knowledge of grammar. Due to time constraints, I won't have time to attack native resources, which I would like to be doing by now. I'll try to reach the natvie textbooks soon, though. So, here's the path I've covered so far. Le norvégien sans peine Hugo's Norwegian in three months Now, the next moves: - Teach Yourself Norwegian - Colloquial Norwegian - Teach Yourself Norwegian 1944 or 1967 edition (I don't mind the spelling, I want to train grammar and specially translation) - En, to, tre Then come the monolingual textbooks. I'd rather skip Linguaphone unless I need extensive listening by that time. I'd like to pick textbooks published in Norway, I just don't know which order I should follow regarding levels. - Ny i Norge - Norsk for utledinger - Norsk for utledinger 2 - På vei - Stein på stein - Bo i Norge - Her på Berget Then I think I'm done with textbooks =D I might insert some grammar in between, like Norwegian: an essential grammar and Norwegian verbs and essentials of grammar, as well as the more thorough Norsk Referansegrammatikk. 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Expugnator Hexaglot Senior Member Brazil Joined 5170 days ago 3335 posts - 4349 votes Speaks: Portuguese*, Norwegian, French, English, Italian, Papiamento Studies: Mandarin, Georgian, Russian | Message 146 of 338 27 December 2012 at 5:22pm | IP Logged |
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My second day of Teach Yourself Norwegian and I must say I like it so far. I'm skipping
exercises and focusing on listening, which has been good because it doesn't seem that hard by now. I also read cultural notes and take a glance at the grammar aspects, reading those I'm not so familiar with. 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Expugnator Hexaglot Senior Member Brazil Joined 5170 days ago 3335 posts - 4349 votes Speaks: Portuguese*, Norwegian, French, English, Italian, Papiamento Studies: Mandarin, Georgian, Russian | Message 147 of 338 02 January 2013 at 8:05pm | IP Logged |
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So, the first day of TAC 2013 is over for me. I studied lesson 4 at Teach Yourself
Norwegian, which came out really nice. I still recommend Hugo's Norwegian in three months first, as I did. TY Norwegian doesn't have translations for dialogues within the lessons and this can put beginners really lost. I'm having intense burnout and Norwegian is my final language in the day after Chinese, Russian and Georgian. Maybe tomorrow I'll be better and try to write something. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |
| Expugnator Hexaglot Senior Member Brazil Joined 5170 days ago 3335 posts - 4349 votes Speaks: Portuguese*, Norwegian, French, English, Italian, Papiamento Studies: Mandarin, Georgian, Russian | Message 148 of 338 03 January 2013 at 7:48pm | IP Logged |
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Another day of Teach Yourself Norwegian. I like the dialogues so far, they are
authentic and not hard to understand. I think doing Anki with the vocabulary as well as the other decks starts to pay off. I've come across the greeting "Morna". It sounds Nynorsk, I thought it was more informal, but in the lessons they use it in shops. I like it that there's an exercise at which you are supposed to translate a paragraph into English, but this paragraph is rather a summary of the lesson and its three dialogues! Quite wise for remembering vocabulary. Nå vil jeg prøve å skrive litt norsk. Jeg har lenge ikke noe skrevet her. Det er sommer i Brasil, og det er svært varmt! På lørdag skal jeg reise med bil til stranden! Denne stranden der ligger i hjemstaten min, Bahia. Faktisk er det en liten by ca 20 tusen innbyggere. Jeg har en onkel som bor der i en nærliggende byen, men jeg vil heller leie et hus fordi huset hans er overflyt om sommeren høysesong. Jeg er sikkert at det vil være en hygellig tur! Etterpå reiser vi til hjembyen min. Jeg savner mamma, pappa, bror, søster og unge nevø så mye! Jeg vil gjerne skrive mer om hjemstaten min senere. Vi har en merkelig måte for å kalle mamma og pappa. Hvis du er interessert i brasiliansk portugisisk, vil du finne det ganske oppsiktsvekkende! 2 persons have voted this message useful | |
| Ogrim Heptaglot Senior Member France Joined 4643 days ago 991 posts - 1896 votes Speaks: Norwegian*, English, Spanish, French, Romansh, German, Italian Studies: Russian, Catalan, Latin, Greek, Romanian | Message 149 of 338 04 January 2013 at 9:45am | IP Logged |
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Hi Expugnator, it's been a while since I visited your log. Good to see that you still keep up your Norwegian.
Regarding "Morna", it is not nynorsk, but it is informal. However, it is used a lot in certain parts of Norway, including the Oslo region, and is an alternative to "Ha det". I've taken the liberty of correcting your text in Norwegian, hope you don't mind. It was very good, no major mistakes. Nå vil jeg prøve å skrive litt norsk. Jeg har ikke skrevet noe her på lenge. Det er sommer i Brasil, og det er svært varmt! På lørdag skal jeg reise med bil til stranden! Denne stranden ligger i hjemstaten min, Bahia. Faktisk er det en liten by med ca 20 tusen innbyggere. Jeg har en onkel som bor der i en nærliggende by, men jeg vil heller leie et hus fordi huset hans er overfylt om sommeren i høysesongen. Jeg er sikker på at det vil bli en hyggelig tur! Etterpå reiser vi til hjembyen min. Jeg savner mamma, pappa, bror, søster og min unge nevø så mye! Jeg vil gjerne skrive mer om hjemstaten min senere. Vi har en merkelig måte å si mamma og pappa på. Hvis du er interessert i brasiliansk portugisisk, vil du finne det ganske oppsiktsvekkende! Finally, I am now very curious as to what you call mommy and daddy! 2 persons have voted this message useful | |
| Expugnator Hexaglot Senior Member Brazil Joined 5170 days ago 3335 posts - 4349 votes Speaks: Portuguese*, Norwegian, French, English, Italian, Papiamento Studies: Mandarin, Georgian, Russian | Message 150 of 338 04 January 2013 at 3:32pm | IP Logged |
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Many thanks for the correction, Ogrim. Nice to see you visited my log again. I plan to
write more often, I think I'm starting to become more confident though I still have to pay attention to genders and plurals - sometimes I simply overlook them, and this is unjustified for a speaker of a Romance language. På den portugisiske språket finnes det diminutive avslutninger - akkurat som på spansk, italiansk og nederlansk. De kan ha fysiske, hengiven eller nedsettende betydning. Den vanligste måten å danne diminutiver består i å legge -inho/-inha suffikser til maskuline /feminine substantiver. "Mor" på portugisisk heter "mãe",og "far" heter "pai". Begge ender i en vokal, derfor, for å danne diminutiven må du legge til en ekstra "z": mãezinha/paizinho er standarde diminutivsskjemæne av "mãe" og "pai". I dialekten min behandlet folk "mãe" og "pai" som om de var regelmessige diminutiver. Derfor hadde vi mãe+inha = mãeinha = mainha/ pai + inho = paiinho = painho.Sånn, når noen fra Bahia vil kalle mamma og pappa, sier de ikke "papai/mamãe eller paizinho/mãezinha: de sier mainha/painho! Faktisk sier jeg aldri "painho/mainha" direkte til faren og moren mine. Jeg bruker "painho" og "mainha" bare når jeg snakker om dem i tredjepersonen. Derfor spør jeg sisteren min: "Cadê painho?" (= Hvor er pappa?), men sier alltid "Oi, pai", (Hei, pappa"), til ham istedenfor å si "Oi, painho*". Det er virkelig komplisert å prøve å forklare det, til og med på et fremmed språk jeg har nettopp begynt å lære, men jeg får håpe at du vil forstå det. Hvis du ikke forstår det, jeg vil gjerne gjenta det på engelsk! 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Solfrid Cristin Heptaglot Winner TAC 2011 & 2012 Senior Member Norway Joined 5338 days ago 4143 posts - 8864 votes Speaks: Norwegian*, Spanish, Swedish, French, English, German, Italian Studies: Russian | Message 151 of 338 13 January 2013 at 5:57pm | IP Logged |
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I think I would recommend that you write smaller, simpler texts when you want to write something in
Norwegian that you would like to have corrected, and that you do not mix other languages into it. I understand that it feels like killing two birds with one stone, but it makes correcting it a nightmare. Perhaps there are other braver souls than me out there? 2 persons have voted this message useful | |
| Ogrim Heptaglot Senior Member France Joined 4643 days ago 991 posts - 1896 votes Speaks: Norwegian*, English, Spanish, French, Romansh, German, Italian Studies: Russian, Catalan, Latin, Greek, Romanian | Message 152 of 338 14 January 2013 at 9:06am | IP Logged |
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Hi Expugnator, thanks for the explanation about the mother and father words in Brazilian Portuguese and in your dialect. You have made some mistakes, but the meaning is clear to me.
I concur with Cristina, if you want corrections, it is easier if you write short and simpler texts. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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