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| tractor Tetraglot Senior Member Norway Joined 5246 days ago 1349 posts - 2292 votes  Speaks: Norwegian*, English, Spanish, Catalan Studies: French, German, Latin | Message 65 of 338 30 August 2012 at 4:07pm | IP Logged | |||||
True. In dialects where r + t isn't merged into one sound (the "retroflex t"), but pronounced as two sounds /rt/, the s in "fortsatt" is pronounced as [s], I think. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Expugnator Hexaglot Senior Member Brazil Joined 4959 days ago 3335 posts - 4349 votes Speaks: Portuguese*, Norwegian, French, English, Italian, Papiamento Studies: Mandarin, Georgian, Russian | Message 66 of 338 31 August 2012 at 10:54pm | IP Logged | |||||
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I'm done with lesson 21 from Assimil. I always do the review lesson right after the previous one, that is, I don't reserve one single day for reviewing. Today I didn't feel any inspiration to write sentences, probably because I already knew the vocabulary introduced from my previous attempt to learn Norwegian. In fact, I'm anxious about learning to read Norwegian and how it will affect my other Germanic languages.
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| Expugnator Hexaglot Senior Member Brazil Joined 4959 days ago 3335 posts - 4349 votes Speaks: Portuguese*, Norwegian, French, English, Italian, Papiamento Studies: Mandarin, Georgian, Russian | Message 67 of 338 02 September 2012 at 12:02am | IP Logged | |||||
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How different is the language from books at Project Runeberg and contemporary bokmål? Would it benefit me if I tried to read books from 1850-1950 at this stage or just mess things up?
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| ZombieKing Bilingual Diglot Senior Member Canada Joined 4320 days ago 247 posts - 324 votes Speaks: English*, Mandarin* | Message 68 of 338 02 September 2012 at 12:05am | IP Logged | |||||
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All knowledge is helpful. Unless you want to chat with Norwegians and are worried you'll use archaic vocabulary, knowing old and out of date words shouldn't harm you. It should merely help you in reading other older texts :)
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| Brun Ugle Diglot Senior Member Norway brunugle.wordpress.c Joined 6413 days ago 1292 posts - 1766 votes Speaks: English*, NorwegianC1 Studies: Japanese, Esperanto, Spanish, Finnish | Message 69 of 338 02 September 2012 at 8:17am | IP Logged | |||||
On the other hand, Norwegian has changed a lot since then. Bokmål developed from Danish and has undergone a number of reforms to make it "more Norwegian." I don't know if it will hurt you exactly, but I think it would be like reading in another Scandinavian language in order to improve your Norwegian. Not quite, but almost. I would say that modern books would be better if you can get them. I had a look at a few of those texts and the language looked pretty old. It's not like English, where the language from a 100 years ago is merely a bit old-fashioned and formal. Norwegian from 100+ years ago is really quite different from the modern language. 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| tractor Tetraglot Senior Member Norway Joined 5246 days ago 1349 posts - 2292 votes Speaks: Norwegian*, English, Spanish, Catalan Studies: French, German, Latin | Message 70 of 338 02 September 2012 at 8:38am | IP Logged | |||||
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Some of the best Norwegian literature was written in that period: Ibsen, Wergeland, Hamsun, Undset, Bjørnson etc.
If you want to read what they wrote, you'll have to get used to the old fashioned language at some point. It's probably best to wait until your Norwegian is stronger though. Edited by tractor on 02 September 2012 at 8:39am 3 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| Brun Ugle Diglot Senior Member Norway brunugle.wordpress.c Joined 6413 days ago 1292 posts - 1766 votes Speaks: English*, NorwegianC1 Studies: Japanese, Esperanto, Spanish, Finnish | Message 71 of 338 02 September 2012 at 11:14am | IP Logged | |||||
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Yes, that's what I meant if I perhaps wasn't clear enough. It's not that you should never read those kinds of books, but that it might confuse you in the early stages. (I wouldn't recommend Shakespeare to anyone learning English either until they were at quite a high level. Of course, I am aware that that is a much more extreme example since even natives can often barely understand him.) You should definitely read classics, but I think it is probably better to wait until maybe a B2 level. I think you mentioned that you were at about A2. Regardless of level, as long as you wait until you feel you have a fairly strong grasp on the modern language, I think classics are great and will give you insight into the culture and history as well as "improving your mind" and all those other things classics are supposed to do.
When I'm learning a language, I like to start reading as soon as I can, which means I have to start with fairly simple things. What those things are depends on the language. In Japanese, which I'm studying now, I find books for younger children to be much more difficult than those for young adults because of the way the written language works. When I studied Norwegian, at first I read a lot of comic books (I still do) and books for children around the age of 8 such as Anne-Cath. Vestly (Mormor og de åtte ungene, etc), then I moved on to books for young adults and then to somewhat light novels for adults (mysteries and such). Reading things like Anne-Cath. Vestly books also gives you something of the culture since most Norwegians are familiar with these from their own childhoods. Even Donald Duck is so popular here that I've heard it referenced a number of times. So I don't see reading those kinds of things as a waste. Plus of course, in the early stages of language learning, you will be exposed to a lot of new vocabulary even from children's books. 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| tractor Tetraglot Senior Member Norway Joined 5246 days ago 1349 posts - 2292 votes Speaks: Norwegian*, English, Spanish, Catalan Studies: French, German, Latin | Message 72 of 338 02 September 2012 at 11:29am | IP Logged | |||||
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Donald Duck is indeed very popular in Norway.
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