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 jeff_lindqvist Diglot Moderator SwedenRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6907 days ago 4250 posts - 5711 votes  Speaks: Swedish*, English Studies: German, Spanish, Russian, Dutch, Mandarin, Esperanto, Irish, French Personal Language Map | Message 177 of 338 29 January 2013 at 8:26pm | IP Logged | ||
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Again, are you really sure that nobody writes Bokmål? As Solfrid said the other week:
"there are so many allowed forms that it is hard to go wrong" And there's always the possibility that the other people have a very chatty tone/spell badly in general. Everyday language, yes, but not before you know what to look for (and what to ignore). 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Expugnator Hexaglot Senior Member Brazil Joined 5164 days ago 3335 posts - 4349 votes Speaks: Portuguese*, Norwegian, French, English, Italian, Papiamento Studies: Mandarin, Georgian, Russian | Message 178 of 338 30 January 2013 at 12:29pm | IP Logged | ||
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I'm pretty much sure, yes. I asked the people directly. Then a few advanced learners
started writing with regular bokmål spelling. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Expugnator Hexaglot Senior Member Brazil Joined 5164 days ago 3335 posts - 4349 votes Speaks: Portuguese*, Norwegian, French, English, Italian, Papiamento Studies: Mandarin, Georgian, Russian | Message 179 of 338 03 February 2013 at 11:34pm | IP Logged | ||
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Today I read the first lesson of Colloquial Norwegian. I didn't bother with audio
because it might be pretty simple, after all. Colloquial Norwegian was my first Norwegian textbook, back in 2001. After a few lessons, I realized that cut-into-slices method wouldn't bring me anywhere consistently, and I didn't have a book to do next after I'd have finished it. So, that was one of the reasons I put Norwegian on hold for so long. Anyway, language learning was so different back then. There wasn't Google Translate. There wasn't Skype. There wasn't lang-8. This time, I plan to finish CN quickly, I'd use it just as one more audio resource. It focus too much on details you may see on restaurant menus or weather forecasts for a beginner. I still have 4 lessons to go at TY Norwegian. Then I'll give CN a rush. Then I don't know. Either I'll try to pick some grammar through a grammar book or an old TY, or I'll do a monolingual course or grammar, such as Linguaphone or the textbooks published in Norway. What I know is that I need to get a lot of practice, so I hope I can finish the textbook study earlier a few times this week and try to write a few paragraphs. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Expugnator Hexaglot Senior Member Brazil Joined 5164 days ago 3335 posts - 4349 votes Speaks: Portuguese*, Norwegian, French, English, Italian, Papiamento Studies: Mandarin, Georgian, Russian | Message 180 of 338 04 February 2013 at 8:23pm | IP Logged | ||
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Today I did TYN's lesson 14 and I came across a sentence a bit confusing:
"Du er like mye bry som søsknene mine" = You're just as much bother as my siblings. Can bry work as a verb as well? I know a song called "Som om jeg bryr meg". Google translates it as "As if I care". Context, please? Speaking of which: today I managed to recover an old CD with some of the first songs in Norwegian I listened to. That was over ten years ago! I was so full of hope, I was about to move here to a bigger city, a whole career. I'd expect to be a real polyglot by now, but things got out of track in both senses. Anyway, I'm still young and I'm glad I could recover one of my favorite songs from Postgirobygget: Hva er bedre da. I'd like to share this song with you guys. The band has simple songs which are very good for those who are studying Norwegian, because it's all plain bokmål, not dialects. I'll try to translate it, any corrections are more than welcome: Hva er bedre da hva er bedre da Tekst og musikk: Arne Hurlen (What is better then?, though I think it means something like "What could be better than this?). Sommer endelig sommer bli her jeg lover har en bolle i ovnen du som gir meg presanger ligger og sover på en luftmadrass ved min side Si det, hva er bedre Summer, finally summer Stay here, I promise (or: I promise to stay here (?)) (I) have a bowl in the oven You, who give me presents Is asleep On an air mattress by my side Fredag endelig fredag lenge til mandag vi har for mange planer nå som tiden står stille hva skal vi gjøre kanskje bade og grille og elske Friday, finally friday (a) long (time) till Monday We have too many plans Now that time stands still What shall we do? Maybe bathe and grill and love Hva er bedre da hva er bedre da What is better then? Mandag lenge til fredag bakrus fra lørdag må på arbeid og streve ennå en uke til ferie til vi kan leve hva med ferie resten av livet Monday, a long time till Friday A hangover from Saturday I must go to work and strive Still one week till vacations Till we can live What about holidays for the rest of (our) live(s)? Si meg, hva er bedre si meg, hva er bedre da jeg håper jeg aldri får svar jeg håper jeg aldri får svar Tell me what is better then? I hope I never get an answer Sorry for my clumsy English as well. I really got the meanings in both Norwegian and English, it's just that I'm not a native speaker of either of them =D 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Expugnator Hexaglot Senior Member Brazil Joined 5164 days ago 3335 posts - 4349 votes Speaks: Portuguese*, Norwegian, French, English, Italian, Papiamento Studies: Mandarin, Georgian, Russian | Message 181 of 338 04 February 2013 at 8:54pm | IP Logged | ||
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One more question: why must we say "Jeg skulle ønske" for "I wish..."? I mean, why the need of "skulle"? Is this to avoid ambiguity with other tenses?
Also one remark: TYN at page 191 says: "The short infinitive in English must have a modal, or helping, verb in Norwegian". Jeg vil at du SKAL komme. John visste ikke hva han SKULLE gjøre. To may sense, it seems that Norwegian uses the subjunctive phrasing instead of the infinitive phrasing, cf. the Balkanic languages BCSM, Greek, Bulgarian, Romanian, while English can use an infinitive. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Solfrid Cristin Heptaglot Winner TAC 2011 & 2012 Senior Member Norway Joined 5332 days ago 4143 posts - 8864 votes Speaks: Norwegian*, Spanish, Swedish, French, English, German, Italian Studies: Russian | Message 182 of 338 04 February 2013 at 10:55pm | IP Logged | ||
Yes, bry is a verb as well. Ikke bry deg! - Don't interfere! Jeg bryr meg om deg - I care about you Ikke bry deg om dem - Don't mind them (care about what they say) You have done a beautiful job with the translation - just one thing I wanted to comment: har en bolle i ovnen - Bolle can mean bowl - but in this case it means a bun "Boller i ovnen" is a euphemism for being pregnant - can you say that in English as well - to have buns in the oven, or is this just a Norwegian expression? 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| mick33 Senior Member United States Joined 5922 days ago 1335 posts - 1632 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Finnish Studies: Thai, Polish, Afrikaans, Hindi, Hungarian, Italian, Spanish, Swedish | Message 183 of 338 04 February 2013 at 11:15pm | IP Logged | ||
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Yes, the expression "to have a bun in the oven" exists in English. I wonder if anyone knows which language had it first? Edited by mick33 on 04 February 2013 at 11:16pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| jeff_lindqvist Diglot Moderator SwedenRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6907 days ago 4250 posts - 5711 votes Speaks: Swedish*, English Studies: German, Spanish, Russian, Dutch, Mandarin, Esperanto, Irish, French Personal Language Map | Message 184 of 338 04 February 2013 at 11:37pm | IP Logged | ||
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It exists in Swedish too ("en bulle i ugnen"), but funnily enough I heard it IRL for the first time just a few months ago. All this talk about idioms, but still even a native won't hear them that often...
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