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| montmorency Diglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4826 days ago 2371 posts - 3676 votes  Speaks: English*, German Studies: Danish, Welsh | Message 193 of 812 15 October 2013 at 1:44pm | IP Logged |
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@Via Diva:
for what it's worth, your cursive handwriting in English doesn't look bad, in fact it's quite good, what I have seen of it (probably only a small sample). But it's interesting that you write a style of cursive that (as far as I know), they don't teach any more in the UK. It's similar to the way my parents wrote, but by the time I went to school, they were teaching us a very simplified form of cursive, with no loops. Done well, it is very legible, if a little childish looking. But I never did it very well (being left-handed doesn't help). In recent years, partly through the influence of the book "Drawing on the right side of the brain" by Betty Edwards (it's about drawing, but she devotes a chapter to handwriting), I've now changed it (or tried to change it) to a slightly more elaborate style, which means a simplified form of copperplate, with loops, etc, although more legible than the really elaborate forms of copperplate that one can find (from a century or more ago). Admittedly, it can slow you down, so whether I could keep it up under "exam pressure", I'm not sure. I suspect it wouldn't be very legible. Occasionally in old American films you will see examples of the handwriting of the time, and while it's probably a bit idealised for movie-making, it looks quite attractive to me. Reading around, I guess what I'm seeing is what they call the Palmer style or method. I think it's been criticised as being over-uniform, but at least it's legible, and (to me) far from ugly. 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Via Diva Diglot Senior Member Russian Federation last.fm/user/viadivaRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4232 days ago 1109 posts - 1427 votes Speaks: Russian*, English Studies: German, Italian, French, Swedish, Esperanto, Czech, Greek | Message 194 of 812 15 October 2013 at 2:38pm | IP Logged |
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montmorency, oh come on, is it really looking good?! I wasn't trying to write normally. Plus, as I've mentioned, I do not have a proper script, hence if I'll try to write something now, it'll be looking different.
Just written (link to the big size): 
You have to keep in mind that my English cursive is interfering with my Russian one. I hate block r, so I replaced it with the inverse version, which is. actually, looks just like our cursive ч. I hate cursive x in any language - I just replace it with block letter. I think that when I'll be learning to write German cursive (I still hope that I will), I'll replace z with our style of cursive з - I saw that this is possible. But, honestly, it's much more suitable for me write English texts in block letters, especially when I'm in a hurry. And I never really saw much of cursive American English handwriting. I don't remember any sample of it, hehe. _______________ I'll update this post in some time for I've recorded English (!) F1 (!) podcast (!), pilot episode. Now I'm saving the video with sole picture in Windows Live. I want to post it here because I really need to know if I should go on with that diction and pronunciation, I need to know if people can or can not actually understand me. Any, any feedback would be much appreciated! 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4705 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish | Message 195 of 812 15 October 2013 at 3:06pm | IP Logged |
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That is right, you can use a similar z to the Russian z in German (and Dutch, and French,
and most European languages afaik). I however don't. (I use some loopy mixture that is more cursive the faster I write). I almost never use pure block letters. Edited by tarvos on 15 October 2013 at 3:07pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Via Diva Diglot Senior Member Russian Federation last.fm/user/viadivaRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4232 days ago 1109 posts - 1427 votes Speaks: Russian*, English Studies: German, Italian, French, Swedish, Esperanto, Czech, Greek | Message 196 of 812 15 October 2013 at 3:22pm | IP Logged |
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Ok then, I like Russian version, plus I have to use it much since my last name begins with that letter :)
_____________ here we go Check it also on blogspot, if you want to: link *sitting in wonder* 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4705 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish | Message 197 of 812 15 October 2013 at 3:41pm | IP Logged |
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Three seconds in and I thought you were German, haha... your English is understandable
;) Don't worry, English with a Russian accent is perfectly intelligible. (That's not to say the pronunciation isn't off but it's not making me want to throw up.) What you need to work on is making the r more of an English r (think of pirates :)), and pay attention to vowel sounds and palatalisation. Formula 1 for example is pronounced with a palatalised m, not a dry m. I say formyula, not formoola. And you say Rassian, whereas Russian is not an ah sound but an uh sound like in uuuuuuuhhhh.... I don't know. And there's th, which you turn into s/z or f/v or whatever but it's not a th. Th requires your tongue between your teeth (as far forward if not more than a Russian t) and producing an s or a z there. It needs to writhe like a snake tongue, out of your mouth. Edited by tarvos on 15 October 2013 at 3:42pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Via Diva Diglot Senior Member Russian Federation last.fm/user/viadivaRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4232 days ago 1109 posts - 1427 votes Speaks: Russian*, English Studies: German, Italian, French, Swedish, Esperanto, Czech, Greek | Message 198 of 812 15 October 2013 at 3:53pm | IP Logged |
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Thanks! So I'll continue tomorrow, hehe)
Ah, the same old problems, hate 'em. Especially th. I do know very well how to pronounce it, but I just can't actually do it! Plus, I was somewhat nervous and certainly not relaxed. To myself I speak loudly and confident, hehe, regardless of possible mistakes) 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4705 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish | Message 199 of 812 15 October 2013 at 4:21pm | IP Logged |
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If you sound bad at first when you try, that's okay. You do not want to know how long I
practiced rolling an R for Russian. It took me two months to get it down and I still have trouble pronouncing r in some words like marshrutka. 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Via Diva Diglot Senior Member Russian Federation last.fm/user/viadivaRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4232 days ago 1109 posts - 1427 votes Speaks: Russian*, English Studies: German, Italian, French, Swedish, Esperanto, Czech, Greek | Message 200 of 812 15 October 2013 at 4:30pm | IP Logged |
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That's not the point. My concentration sucks. I can pronounce some merely decent th ONLY when I'm thinking about it. But I hate to think about it, so most of the time I'm saying some shitty in-understandable thing. My mother hasn't really dealing with English for about 20 years, and she pronounces th much, much better than me. So, I guess it's just not my thing. But I'm practicing when I'm thinking something like "say it right" :)
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