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| Medulin Tetraglot Senior Member Croatia Joined 4672 days ago 1199 posts - 2192 votes  Speaks: Croatian*, English, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Norwegian, Hindi, Nepali | Message 33 of 338 21 August 2012 at 4:49pm | IP Logged | ||
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ennå is more common on Dagsavisen web pages,
enda is more common on Aftenposten, VG and Dagbladet web pages BA (Bergensavisen) prefers ennå BT (Bergens Tidende) prefers enda ;) So, liberal newspapers prefer ennå, while the conservative ones prefer enda (Dagbladet being the exception...since it prefers enda, but it's close to AP; and BT has been swinging to the left side over the years ) From the Norsk Ordbok (the dictionary of Moderate Bokmaal and Riksmaal): '' ennå el. (især om fortidsforh.) enda tidsadv. 1 hittil: vi har ennå ikke hørt noe 2 fremdeles (på det el. det tidspunkt): han lever ennå / enda (så sent som) i forrige uke; jf. ▶enda A Etym.: av ▶enn I og▶ nå II; eg. 'ennå i dette øyeblikk' enda adv. og konj.; jf. ▶ennå A (som adv.) 1 (som tidsadv.) den gang var han enda et barn / enda (så sent som) i forrige uke 2 (foran komp. for å betegne en høyere grad enn en allerede meget høy grad) han er enda lengre enn broren / det blir jo enda verre (el. (mer muntlig) verre enda) ; (foran tallord) enda en gang en gang til; (som presiserende ledd) jeg husker det godt – det var enda den dagen da taket blåste av uthuset 3 tross alt; likevel: det var enda godt vi hadde med regnfrakk / du har fått alt du bad om, og enda sitter du og surmuler!; hadde jeg enda (ɔ: bare) visst dette før! B (som konj.) til tross for at: han kan ikke lese, enda han er 13 år Etym.: gno. enn þá enda på det tidspunkt Synonymer: A 3. dog, endog, når alt kommer til alt B selv om, skjønt, på tross av '' norsk-tysk ordbok gives it like this: ''enda (ennå) 1. (adv.) noch; (hittil) jeg har enda ikke hørt noe nytt ich habe noch keine Nachricht erhalten; han bor enda i X er wohnt noch in X; (fremdeles) vi har enda tid wir haben noch Zeit; (ytterligere) jeg må si deg enda en ting ich muss dir noch etwas sagen; (foran komparativer) det var enda større enn jeg trodde es war noch größer als ich dachte. 2. (subjunksjon) (skjønt) obwohl, obgleich, obschon'' Edited by Medulin on 21 August 2012 at 4:58pm 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Solfrid Cristin Heptaglot Winner TAC 2011 & 2012 Senior Member Norway Joined 5338 days ago 4143 posts - 8864 votes Speaks: Norwegian*, Spanish, Swedish, French, English, German, Italian Studies: Russian | Message 34 of 338 21 August 2012 at 5:14pm | IP Logged | ||
En liten leksjon var ikke tilstrekkelig, og jeg vil skrive på norsk igjen. Jeg leste leksjonen på bussen, før jeg kom til kontoret. Assimils noter (forklaringer) er alltid veldig interessante, men jeg ville gjerne spare tid til å lese og skrive etter leksjonen i dag. Den er fortsatt for kort, og jeg synes at det er så mye å lære etter Assimil! Kanskje jeg skulle se etter noen tekster fra aviser om kultur, samfunn, selv sladder - jeg vil bare ikke lese om politikk! Your mistakes are marginal. You should be very proud of yourself And yes, you are lucky to have several Norwegians discussing usage on your blog. We are rather calm people, but get us to discuss the Norwegian language, and you will see our level of activity sky rocket :-) 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| tractor Tetraglot Senior Member Norway Joined 5457 days ago 1349 posts - 2292 votes Speaks: Norwegian*, English, Spanish, Catalan Studies: French, German, Latin | Message 35 of 338 21 August 2012 at 5:48pm | IP Logged | ||
At school we learnt that 'enda' should be used for past events, and 'ennå' for present and future events. It was possibly some stupid rule that our teacher had invented himself. I'm from the North and I always say 'enda'. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Expugnator Hexaglot Senior Member Brazil Joined 5170 days ago 3335 posts - 4349 votes Speaks: Portuguese*, Norwegian, French, English, Italian, Papiamento Studies: Mandarin, Georgian, Russian | Message 36 of 338 21 August 2012 at 6:45pm | IP Logged | ||
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You just made my day, Solfrid Cristin! =D I'm making more mistakes in French than in Norwegian!! I'm highly motivated now, also because of the discussions going on. Since I changed my attitude from wanderlusting-only to half-wanderlusting/half-builiding-up I think I'm finally going somewhere with my languages. One of them I deem really high is certainly Norwegian, it always looked somehow familiar, unexplainably, and now it only gets more and more so as I study.
From the recent corrections, it seems Norwegian uses the compound/perfect past tense far less than English, is it so? There are languages that nearly only make use of compound pasts, like French, Italian, and German to a high though slightly lower extent. How does Norwegian behave at this respect? 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Solfrid Cristin Heptaglot Winner TAC 2011 & 2012 Senior Member Norway Joined 5338 days ago 4143 posts - 8864 votes Speaks: Norwegian*, Spanish, Swedish, French, English, German, Italian Studies: Russian | Message 37 of 338 21 August 2012 at 8:01pm | IP Logged | ||
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I am really bad at grammar, and worse at Norwegian grammar, but I believe there is a rule that if you do not
specify the time frame, or you are within the same timeframe then you use the compound tense, but if you are describing an act outside your timeframe then you use the simple past tense. Jeg har syklet. ( no time frame) Jeg har syklet i dag. (Within the time frame of today) Jeg syklet i går. ( outside the timeframe of today) Jeg syklet i morges. (outside of the timeframe of this afternoon) I trust someone can give you a more achademic explanation, but these are the rules I have learned. 5 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Medulin Tetraglot Senior Member Croatia Joined 4672 days ago 1199 posts - 2192 votes Speaks: Croatian*, English, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Norwegian, Hindi, Nepali | Message 38 of 338 22 August 2012 at 1:49am | IP Logged | ||
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So, Norwegian behaves similar to European Spanish when it comes to past simple / present perfect . ;) Edited by Medulin on 22 August 2012 at 1:49am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Brun Ugle Diglot Senior Member Norway brunugle.wordpress.c Joined 6624 days ago 1292 posts - 1766 votes Speaks: English*, NorwegianC1 Studies: Japanese, Esperanto, Spanish, Finnish | Message 39 of 338 22 August 2012 at 8:09am | IP Logged | ||
Exactly. The past (imperfect) is used to refer to an event that happened at a specific time, while the perfect is used when the event isn't fixed in time. (Just condensing what you wrote, Cristina) My knowledge of Norwegian grammar is pretty bad too, since I never really studied it formally. I learned a lot of my Norwegian from reading Donald Duck. Now, I've decided to try to do something about my grammar, so following along with your learning efforts, Expugnator, will probably be good for me too. I usually get most of it right, but I really don't know the rules so when I, for some reason, try to think about what the right way to express something is, I suddenly become very unsure. So now I've decided I will actually use my book, Norwegian An Essential Grammar to look these things up. It's a great book by the way, so if you don't have it, you should get it. Edited by Brun Ugle on 22 August 2012 at 8:10am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
 jeff_lindqvist Diglot Moderator SwedenRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6913 days ago 4250 posts - 5711 votes Speaks: Swedish*, English Studies: German, Spanish, Russian, Dutch, Mandarin, Esperanto, Irish, French Personal Language Map | Message 40 of 338 22 August 2012 at 8:36am | IP Logged | ||
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Just for the record, the usage of simple/compund is the same in Swedish.
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