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| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6596 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes  4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 129 of 432 12 February 2014 at 7:01pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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That was the original implementation, but the rule was simply that anything between 100 and 499 pages = 1 book. 500 were two. And we were still hoping to read 100. Crazy times.
50 pages isn't any less arbitrary than 90 mins. As for the bot, it's not even Cristina who's doing it. The bot de facto does the codification of what is right and legitimate and the best goal. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Expugnator Hexaglot Senior Member Brazil Joined 5165 days ago 3335 posts - 4349 votes Speaks: Portuguese*, Norwegian, French, English, Italian, Papiamento Studies: Mandarin, Georgian, Russian | Message 130 of 432 12 February 2014 at 7:33pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
I don't join other challenges like Tadoku or 6WC because I already have a routine that takes up the whole day. What I want to do is work more on the languages I already do native materials for, and, most important, I want to keep track of this progress so as to analize how much I will have improved (or not) after the challenge. Cross-posting from my log (it's long because it is detailed per language, you may just skim it to get an idea): Super Challenge Well, I've realized that my 20 pages a day in French would be enough for achieving a Super Challenge. On the other hand, I have been doing this routine of 20 French pages a day (mostly intensive but lately rather extensive) over a year ago and I don't think my French saw that huge gap. On the contrary: after dropping the textbook stage, I think what I learned came more from videos than from reading. So, I don't know if this challenge or my routine itself will be effective for this transition. I don't even know my French level for sure. I believe I'm B2 with some gaps, because I really can talk about almost everything despite making mistakes, and I can also understand almost everything at spoken fiction French, including some word eat-ups and slang. I haven't calculated how it would work with videos. I take 20 minutes a day with Norwegian video, plus 15-20 min of listening/reading. Maybe Norwegian is elligible for a video challenge and for a half reading challenge (what I read are 10 pages which I happen to L-R because I have audio). So, in theory Norwegian is the ideal language for a Super Challenge because I'm at a B1 level. Considering my current routine, though, I could do a full French reading and a half French A/V challenge + a half Norwegian reading and a full Norwegian A/V challenge without making any changes to my already intensive routine. In calmer days, I could also add 10 more pages (from a different source) in Norwegian and 10-30 more minutes in French, and that would allow me for a full challenge in both. I wouldn't stick these to my main routine though, as it is already intense enough. I'm only replacing activities instead of adding new ones, the exception being apps (Anki, Duolingo, Memrise) which can be worked on in a more relaxed way. Maybe I could read 5 pages a day in Georgian if I started with easy, translated novels (Paulo Coelho, anyone?); more than that would mean a daily Georgian burnout. I already read 2 pages in a mirrored (Georgian- English) reader and 2 more in a mirrored novel. As for Papiamento, I listen to no more than 5 minutes a day and that's just background, thus not elligible. There isn't enough interesting audio/video out there for me to spend a challenge on that. In the case of books, there's just not enough material at all in Papiamento, I'm afraid! That is to say, if we pile up all the books currently available for purchase in Papiamento, it may not be enough to accomplish a super challenge :/ EDIT: I almost forgot to analize Chinese! The situation is similar to Norwegian, though the level surely isn't (I believe I'm at a higher A2 for active skills but listening is far from transparent, not to mention reading). I could accomplish an A/V challenge with 20 minutes a day of Chinese videos. No reading, though. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
 emk Diglot Moderator United States Joined 5531 days ago 2615 posts - 8806 votes Speaks: English*, FrenchB2 Studies: Spanish, Ancient Egyptian Personal Language Map | Message 131 of 432 12 February 2014 at 8:03pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
Yeah, there were a lot of people who completed audio-only challenges, but not the reading. And then there's one person who read way over 100 books but who only watched ~72 films. The good news is that we're going to create a "Hall of Frame" thread sometime soon, and we'll include all the challenge details there, including everybody who completed an audio-only challenge, plus the TAC winners, and everybody else who wins a big challenge. So your extra movies-only challenges will not go unrecognized! 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| patrickwilken Senior Member Germany radiant-flux.net Joined 4532 days ago 1546 posts - 3200 votes Studies: German | Message 132 of 432 12 February 2014 at 9:32pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
For the record I was A1 when I started the German SC. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| kanewai Triglot Senior Member United States justpaste.it/kanewai Joined 4888 days ago 1386 posts - 3054 votes Speaks: English*, French, Marshallese Studies: Italian, Spanish | Message 133 of 432 13 February 2014 at 2:31am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Oh Solfrid, did you make it easier by dropping the number of pages, or harder by tempting
us to try more?!? 'Cause I've already started a possible list for Italian, Spanish, and French. Thanks for making the final decision early - it will help us in moving on and planning our own studies. For Expugnator & others who are assessing their choices: I actually found the video part more challenging. I could work in reading on the bus, at the coffee shop, over lunch, on the beach ... there's a lot of flexibility. It was much harder to find the time to sit down and watch a flic, and even harder to find 100 movies that I actually liked (that part was surprising). 4 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6596 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 134 of 432 13 February 2014 at 2:50am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Audiobooks, podcasts, sports and tv also count (as long as you're not just listening in the background, of course). There's no way I could find 100 movies that I like either (though I watched HP more than once for example).
@Expugnator, of course it's up to you but this challenge is mostly oriented at extensive reading. or reading with a popup dictionary (I know emk did that a lot). Have you seen this article about reading strategies, btw? Also please note that if you do LR with both in the same language, you should choose what counts. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Tsopivo Diglot Senior Member Canada Joined 4470 days ago 258 posts - 411 votes Speaks: French*, English Studies: Esperanto | Message 135 of 432 13 February 2014 at 3:59am | IP Logged | ||||||||
You are quite correct. For me, the bot was definitively the most important part of the challenge and that colours my opinion. Thanks for pointing that out. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Solfrid Cristin Heptaglot Winner TAC 2011 & 2012 Senior Member Norway Joined 5333 days ago 4143 posts - 8864 votes Speaks: Norwegian*, Spanish, Swedish, French, English, German, Italian Studies: Russian | Message 136 of 432 13 February 2014 at 10:03am | IP Logged | ||||||||
I doubt that I will strictly prohibit any number of languages, I will just make a VERY STRONG RECCOMENDATION that people stick to one language only, or two or three as an absolute maximum for the crazy ones. Now for the ones beyond crazy, like you and Kerrie, I think I will just let you do your thing :-) I am just afraid that when people see you guys enlist with 4 or 5 they will think that this is the normal thing, and that doing just one Super Challenge is a walk in the park. Even with the reduced reading, finishing a Super Challenge is still a major acheivement, and I would much rather that people do just one language, and succeed with that one, than that they fail in 4. Point 2. The actual challenge is 100/100. However, if you do 150/50, you will get the 4 stars for it as a motivational boost, and you will get a mentioning at the Hall of Fame, you will just not be a Super Challenge winner. In order to complete the challenge you must do 100/100. Given that the reading has been reduced to half that should still accomodate most people. Point 7. I think it would make more sense if we all listed our levels - even if it is just an estimate. If you know you are an A1-A2 you are less likely to lose confidence even if you are a slow reader, if you see that your faster reading competitors are at B2. In reading speed, the difference between a low A2 and a high B1 can be major. 2 persons have voted this message useful |
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