slucido Bilingual Diglot Senior Member Spain https://goo.gl/126Yv Joined 6676 days ago 1296 posts - 1781 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Spanish*, Catalan* Studies: English
| Message 329 of 430 05 May 2008 at 5:46pm | IP Logged |
CaitO'Ceallaigh wrote:
frenkeld wrote:
Based on my experience with Spanish versus German, how one goes about accumulating vocabulary from the native sources one reads may have a significant effect on how long it takes to accumulate 15,000 words. Perhaps some people won't call the use of flashcards a "method", but it really is a method, a method for retaining vocabulary. Ask Katie to get rid of SuperMemo and Mnemosyne on her computer and see if she still likes you.
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I don't think Slucido would do that because it's working for me right now. Where did you get that he said that I shouldn't?
Edit: Where did you get that HE WOULD say that I shouldn't? |
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I am a SRS flashcard fanatic right now. :-))
I don't know next year.
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CaitO'Ceallaigh Triglot Senior Member United States katiekelly.wordpress Joined 6858 days ago 795 posts - 829 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, Russian Studies: Czech, German
| Message 330 of 430 05 May 2008 at 5:52pm | IP Logged |
slucido wrote:
It's interesting.
Maybe the "best method" is the "simplest method"...
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You just learn a few more things, one day at a time.
It's so, so simple. Today in Spanish, I learned "Quien rompe paga," for example. That has nothing to do with this thread. Anyway, that's an expression I didn't know yesterday, but I know it now, so yippee for me! That's one more than I knew before. I'm only learning one new word or expression right now, though. But that's still seven a week.
I'm more aggressive with Russian. I try to learn up to 7. The same with Czech and German. That's 49 new words or expressions a week, 49 more than I knew the week before.
My materials are completely different for each language. It really is all the same to me. A word is a word is a word.
Are there faster, better ways? Probably.
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CaitO'Ceallaigh Triglot Senior Member United States katiekelly.wordpress Joined 6858 days ago 795 posts - 829 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, Russian Studies: Czech, German
| Message 331 of 430 05 May 2008 at 6:08pm | IP Logged |
I just remembered something. This was years ago. I was visiting a friend down in San Diego, whose mom worked in the language lab at UC San Diego. I remember her telling me about some study that said that the average human brain can only learn x number of words a day. It might have been 7, I can't remember. I'm sure that this is debatable. But the crux of her argument was, it really didn't matter what you did, your brain has a saturation point of x number of words in a given period of time, like a day. I can't remember.
So there's nothing revolutionary here. It's just reality. Of course there will be variance.
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frenkeld Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 6944 days ago 2042 posts - 2719 votes Speaks: Russian*, English Studies: German
| Message 332 of 430 05 May 2008 at 6:44pm | IP Logged |
CaitO'Ceallaigh wrote:
it really didn't matter what you did, your brain has a saturation point of x number of words in a given period of time, like a day. |
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Great, so a method that saturates that number every day is better than the one that doesn't.
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Goindol Senior Member United States Joined 6075 days ago 165 posts - 203 votes
| Message 333 of 430 05 May 2008 at 6:44pm | IP Logged |
I've heard of a study that concluded that 42% of all studies are wrong.
I'm sure there's an upper limit somewhere, but 7 sounds way too low. For various reasons I've stopped studying vocabulary in isolation but I remember using visual mnemonics to great effect to learn words.
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CaitO'Ceallaigh Triglot Senior Member United States katiekelly.wordpress Joined 6858 days ago 795 posts - 829 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, Russian Studies: Czech, German
| Message 334 of 430 05 May 2008 at 6:51pm | IP Logged |
frenkeld wrote:
CaitO'Ceallaigh wrote:
it really didn't matter what you did, your brain has a saturation point of x number of words in a given period of time, like a day. |
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Great, so a method that saturates that number every day is better than the one that doesn't.
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I would take a guess and say "yes".
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Goindol Senior Member United States Joined 6075 days ago 165 posts - 203 votes
| Message 335 of 430 05 May 2008 at 6:55pm | IP Logged |
slucido wrote:
I am a SRS flashcard fanatic right now. :-))
I don't know next year.
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By Slucido's Postulate, aren't non-spaced flashcards just as good as SRS if there's INPUT + OUTPUT + TIME?
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CaitO'Ceallaigh Triglot Senior Member United States katiekelly.wordpress Joined 6858 days ago 795 posts - 829 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, Russian Studies: Czech, German
| Message 336 of 430 05 May 2008 at 6:59pm | IP Logged |
Goindol wrote:
I've heard of a study that concluded that 42% of all studies are wrong.
I'm sure there's an upper limit somewhere, but 7 sounds way too low. For various reasons I've stopped studying vocabulary in isolation but I remember using visual mnemonics to great effect to learn words. |
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It seems low to me, too.
Oh, wait! Maybe she said you have to have seen that word used in x number of different contexts before you really "know" it.
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