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| frenkeld Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 6740 days ago 2042 posts - 2719 votes  Speaks: Russian*, English Studies: German | Message 257 of 430 02 May 2008 at 12:12pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
The early chapter(s), where she talks about how she learned the first few languages, are the most fun. Edited by frenkeld on 02 May 2008 at 12:17pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| slucido Bilingual Diglot Senior Member Spain https://goo.gl/126Yv Joined 6472 days ago 1296 posts - 1781 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Spanish*, Catalan* Studies: English | Message 258 of 430 02 May 2008 at 12:50pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
Yes, Spanish for more than 40 years. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| slucido Bilingual Diglot Senior Member Spain https://goo.gl/126Yv Joined 6472 days ago 1296 posts - 1781 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Spanish*, Catalan* Studies: English | Message 259 of 430 02 May 2008 at 12:56pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
Yes, input+output it's enough. Whatever method you use is about input and output. The word "raw" is your "straw man" addition.. nor mine. And yes, some people may need more, for example people who has suffered brain damage and can not talk. The problem is we don't have other tools than input and output. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| frenkeld Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 6740 days ago 2042 posts - 2719 votes Speaks: Russian*, English Studies: German | Message 260 of 430 02 May 2008 at 1:03pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
What about Catalan? At what age did the immersion begin? Edited by frenkeld on 02 May 2008 at 1:03pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| frenkeld Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 6740 days ago 2042 posts - 2719 votes Speaks: Russian*, English Studies: German | Message 261 of 430 02 May 2008 at 1:09pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
The distinction between raw input and graded input is indeed fuzzy. If one has access to a large amount of native sources, one can make a selection greatly varying in the level of difficulty, starting with some rather simple works, including materials for children of different ages. In practical terms, one will ask if the simplest of the simple works one has at one's disposal is comprehensible. If not, one needs help, and this help is what I would call a non-raw input. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| CaitO'Ceallaigh Triglot Senior Member United States katiekelly.wordpress Joined 6654 days ago 795 posts - 829 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, Russian Studies: Czech, German | Message 262 of 430 02 May 2008 at 1:10pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
Raw input or graded input = INPUT. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| frenkeld Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 6740 days ago 2042 posts - 2719 votes Speaks: Russian*, English Studies: German | Message 263 of 430 02 May 2008 at 1:17pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
That is correct. They are two subcategories of a more general category and thus both members of the top-level category. Depending on which of the two subcategories you use for your language studies will greatly affect your rate of progress or even your ability to learn the language at all. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| slucido Bilingual Diglot Senior Member Spain https://goo.gl/126Yv Joined 6472 days ago 1296 posts - 1781 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Spanish*, Catalan* Studies: English | Message 264 of 430 02 May 2008 at 1:19pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
I hope you are misinterpreting me. I will repeat: 1-I've never used the word placebo regarding language methods Language methods have positive and real effect, because they have input+output. (Ramipril and Losartan are drugs with pharmacological effect) I think language methods between themselves don't have meaningful differences, but they are NOT placebos. (Ramipril and Losartan may not have meaningful anti hypertensive differences between themselves, but they are NOT placebos) 2-Methods are different (like Ramipril and Losartan), but I think this differences aren't meaningful regarding language learning, but mainly psychological. 3-Psychological effects can destroy you, they are not necessary something light. For example, those psychological differences had created a huge amount of emails and rabid reactions on this thread. Psychological differences can produce wars.
TIME is the main factor. Working more every day and with more intensity. How can we manage this? I used different words: passion, love, motivation, having fun,... You can use whatever you need to work harder with more intensity and with more time. Maybe some people need a gun in their head to get motivated: FEAR. I have read in this forum about one person who learned Spanish quickly, because he was threatened to be fired. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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