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| CaitO'Ceallaigh Triglot Senior Member United States katiekelly.wordpress Joined 6654 days ago 795 posts - 829 votes  Speaks: English*, Spanish, Russian Studies: Czech, German | Message 249 of 430 02 May 2008 at 11:42am | IP Logged | ||
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It's just a formula, Frenkeld. Input and output can take on different forms. Could be Skype, could be immersion, could be DVDs, singing along with the radio, reading a book. The possibilities are endless. You're getting caught up with what you think Slucido's definition of "input" and "output" are, when it could be all sorts of different things.
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| frenkeld Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 6740 days ago 2042 posts - 2719 votes Speaks: Russian*, English Studies: German | Message 250 of 430 02 May 2008 at 11:44am | IP Logged | ||
The question is whether raw "input+output" are enough for everyone to learn a language given enough time, or whether some learners require additional tools. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| CaitO'Ceallaigh Triglot Senior Member United States katiekelly.wordpress Joined 6654 days ago 795 posts - 829 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, Russian Studies: Czech, German | Message 251 of 430 02 May 2008 at 11:45am | IP Logged | ||
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The additional tools are going to fall under input and output.
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| frenkeld Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 6740 days ago 2042 posts - 2719 votes Speaks: Russian*, English Studies: German | Message 252 of 430 02 May 2008 at 11:49am | IP Logged | ||
A translation is not input, it is a tool to make input comprehensible - it is not in the target language, after all. Then there is the issue of "raw" versus graded input. Edited by frenkeld on 02 May 2008 at 11:50am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| CaitO'Ceallaigh Triglot Senior Member United States katiekelly.wordpress Joined 6654 days ago 795 posts - 829 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, Russian Studies: Czech, German | Message 253 of 430 02 May 2008 at 11:51am | IP Logged | ||
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If it helps you learn the words, then it is input.
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| frenkeld Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 6740 days ago 2042 posts - 2719 votes Speaks: Russian*, English Studies: German | Message 254 of 430 02 May 2008 at 11:53am | IP Logged | ||
Usually, when they talk about input, they talk about sentences in the target language. I guess we could carefully define the terms, then carefully formulate our statements, and then carefully analyze them using our carefully defined terminology. :) P.S. How is Kato Lomb's book coming along? Edited by frenkeld on 02 May 2008 at 11:56am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| CaitO'Ceallaigh Triglot Senior Member United States katiekelly.wordpress Joined 6654 days ago 795 posts - 829 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, Russian Studies: Czech, German | Message 255 of 430 02 May 2008 at 12:03pm | IP Logged | ||
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There is no "universal method" other than input + output + time.
Everything is a variation of the same theme. Don't get caught up in strict definitions. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| CaitO'Ceallaigh Triglot Senior Member United States katiekelly.wordpress Joined 6654 days ago 795 posts - 829 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, Russian Studies: Czech, German | Message 256 of 430 02 May 2008 at 12:08pm | IP Logged | ||
I got through the first page. :) I need a dictionary, but it is an enjoyable read. I've actually been distracted with a lot of stuff going on in my life, but I do intend to read it. I'm actually debating just reading through with my pop up dictionary (weak input) or taking the time to save all the new words in my flashcard software (slamming my brain with input). :) 1 person has voted this message useful |
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