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| slucido Bilingual Diglot Senior Member Spain https://goo.gl/126Yv Joined 6472 days ago 1296 posts - 1781 votes  4 sounds Speaks: Spanish*, Catalan* Studies: English | Message 417 of 430 10 May 2008 at 2:16pm | IP Logged | |||||
It doesn't matter if you get motivate by external or internal reasons, whatsoever you will need motivation to spend time. By the way, do you think using a dictionary is better method than watching DVDs? :-)) 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| slucido Bilingual Diglot Senior Member Spain https://goo.gl/126Yv Joined 6472 days ago 1296 posts - 1781 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Spanish*, Catalan* Studies: English | Message 418 of 430 10 May 2008 at 2:19pm | IP Logged | |||||
In other words, you agree with me. There aren't other sensible methods outside using the language and subjetive preferences... 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| reineke Senior Member United States https://learnalangua Joined 6244 days ago 851 posts - 1008 votes Studies: German | Message 419 of 430 10 May 2008 at 2:33pm | IP Logged | |||||
A method may be constructed so as to let you spend your time effectively or more pleasantly or a combination thereof but in any case this makes methods important and different from each other (and "effective"). I believe that if you had been a little more precise in your assertions and definitions this would have been shorter. I like to have a dictionary handy even while watching movies. I am afraid seeking "fun" and little else may become problematic not only due to poor time management but also since such approach is likely to give you plenty of exposure in a limited field ("input"), and you might come across as gruff, even rude ("output"). Grammar and spelling are likely to suffer as well. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| slucido Bilingual Diglot Senior Member Spain https://goo.gl/126Yv Joined 6472 days ago 1296 posts - 1781 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Spanish*, Catalan* Studies: English | Message 420 of 430 10 May 2008 at 2:39pm | IP Logged | |||||
Your quotes and misquotes are very interesting, but I am not sure if you have read them. People talk about their subjective preferences and about time as the main factor. It's the title of this thread.
What methods? Are you talking generally? Methods are not that powerful and a lot of times people learn languages in spite of the methods. Methods can only provide you a frame of motivation. You learn your target language USING REPEATEDLY the language and not due to your methods. This is a delusion. -Intensive use : listening, reading, writing and speaking slow and carefully. -Extensive use: listening, reading, writing and speaking for a long time and a lot of time. P.S. By the way, your conversation about restrooms and bathrooms is very interesting.:0) 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| reineke Senior Member United States https://learnalangua Joined 6244 days ago 851 posts - 1008 votes Studies: German | Message 421 of 430 10 May 2008 at 3:38pm | IP Logged | |||||
I am glad you like it. Now, if methods provide only motivation, this still makes them very important since we have previously established (even though frenkeld may disagree) that motivation is crucial. If methods have only this quality, this makes them a sort of a placebo, lol. But wait, methods are also connected with language content. But at the same time methods are not equal to the input formula which of course includes language content etc. If they are not equal to the content they provide this makes methods a separate entity which attempts to regulate content and facilitate absorption. If it succeeds it is active ingredient, if not it is a sort of a placebo administered alongside the drug (basic input formula). If you argue that methods may be detrimental and this is not related to strictly to motivation, this makes them an active ingredient which either dumbs down the content or does not provide the right input/output ingredients and success is due to motivation despite of these negaive effects. If this is the case, you are an advocate of raw input. You would I hope agree that according to your philosophy raw input, meaning living language (unpolluted and free of any negative effects certain methods may cause) is a superior approach assuming it's accompanied with the right motivation? 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Goindol Senior Member United States Joined 5871 days ago 165 posts - 203 votes | Message 422 of 430 10 May 2008 at 4:10pm | IP Logged | |||||
Some scientists are surely morons, but I'm not sure how you inferred that from my post. Also, where did I mention "sensible" methods? You must be confusing me with someone else. I hope even you've noticed that you're directly contradicting your earlier posts, and how after being asked to furnish proof of scientific validity, you're now shying away from language of OBJECTIVITY. Curious indeed. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| slucido Bilingual Diglot Senior Member Spain https://goo.gl/126Yv Joined 6472 days ago 1296 posts - 1781 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Spanish*, Catalan* Studies: English | Message 423 of 430 10 May 2008 at 4:20pm | IP Logged | |||||
My philosophy has been repeated a lot of times in this thread. It's the title's thread. Do whatever you feel like. As long as you work with input and output, TIME is the most important factor and not the method. Do whatever you feel like means: -whatever motivate you working harder and more time -It could be Rambo method, Bambi method or whatever in between. It's easy. Keep it simple. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| slucido Bilingual Diglot Senior Member Spain https://goo.gl/126Yv Joined 6472 days ago 1296 posts - 1781 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Spanish*, Catalan* Studies: English | Message 424 of 430 10 May 2008 at 4:24pm | IP Logged | |||||
Yes, it's very curious indeed asking proof of the scientific validity of the scientific validity about scientific validity...:0) By the way, what are those efficient methods apart extensive and intensive usage of the language? Do you know? 1 person has voted this message useful |
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