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frenkeld
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 Message 393 of 430
08 May 2008 at 7:53pm | IP Logged 
CaitO'Ceallaigh wrote:
Everyone says Slucido is wrong ...


One big problem is how the discussion was conducted. One may wish to ponder the following links:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_nauseam

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proof_by_assertion

http://www.mnforsustain.org/student_logical_fallacies_with_r eferences.htm

Edited by frenkeld on 08 May 2008 at 8:06pm
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 Message 394 of 430
08 May 2008 at 7:56pm | IP Logged 
reineke wrote:
... regarding the "best method", I am not aware that anyone claimed there was one - except sluicido himself.


I think slucido didn't claim there was one either - it is a "straw man" par excellence as far as this discussion goes.



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 Message 395 of 430
08 May 2008 at 8:01pm | IP Logged 
frenkeld wrote:
reineke wrote:
... regarding the "best method", I am not aware that anyone claimed there was one - except slucido himself.


I think slucido didn't claim there was one either - it is a "straw man" par excellence as far as this discussion goes.




I was gently poking fun at his first post.

slucido wrote:


I think that methods are not that important. The most important factor is TIME and LOVE devoted to the target language.

Thinking about that, I think the best methods are those that manages to scratch more of your time without you been aware.

For example, I think the DVD movie methods are the best.Why? Because people devote more time to the language without been aware.

Time flies when you're having fun



I do like the "ad nauseam" bit and I thought what the heck, let's make this 50 pages long.

Edited by reineke on 08 May 2008 at 8:09pm
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 Message 396 of 430
08 May 2008 at 8:20pm | IP Logged 
reineke wrote:

Slucido needs to learn a few things, adjective comparison included
That's what I've wanted to say for a long time :-)
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 Message 397 of 430
08 May 2008 at 9:16pm | IP Logged 
CaitO'Ceallaigh wrote:
I would like someone to answer this question, because no one has.

If there "is a best method", what is it? How have you come to that conclusion?

Everyone says Slucido is wrong, that there is a a "best method," but no one can say what it is. Free icecream to whomever gets it right.


CaitO'Ceallaigh - as others have said, no one here argued for the existence of a best method. The discussion was rather about whether any method is as good as another given INPUT + OUTPUT + TIME. slucido has insisted on OBJECTIVE scientific data* yet when challenged, cannot provide statistical validity of the OBJECTIVELY SCIENTIFIC TECHNIQUES he espouses.

*Objectively scientific, meaning roughly that a study is considered valid when its results are 95% likely due to non-random forces.

Please PM me for my address. I'll let you know where to mail the ice cream.
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 Message 398 of 430
09 May 2008 at 3:37am | IP Logged 
I was very happy this morning because I saw several messages, but we continue talking about nothing

Serpent wrote:
No one denies it that there's no single best method, but that doesn't mean that sensible methods (that involve input+output+time) are equally effective.


What are those sensible methods?

What evidence we have apart from subjetive preferences?

I only need consensus between experts.



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 Message 399 of 430
09 May 2008 at 3:44am | IP Logged 
Goindol wrote:
CaitO'Ceallaigh wrote:
I would like someone to answer this question, because no one has.

If there "is a best method", what is it? How have you come to that conclusion?

Everyone says Slucido is wrong, that there is a a "best method," but no one can say what it is. Free icecream to whomever gets it right.


CaitO'Ceallaigh - as others have said, no one here argued for the existence of a best method. The discussion was rather about whether any method is as good as another given INPUT + OUTPUT + TIME. slucido has insisted on OBJECTIVE scientific data* yet when challenged, cannot provide statistical validity of the OBJECTIVELY SCIENTIFIC TECHNIQUES he espouses.

*Objectively scientific, meaning roughly that a study is considered valid when its results are 95% likely due to non-random forces.

Please PM me for my address. I'll let you know where to mail the ice cream.



Do you mean scientists are morons??

The commentaries about sex between angels are very interesting, but the question is simple:

What are those sensible methods?

What evidence we have apart from subjetive preferences? I only need consensus between experts.






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 Message 400 of 430
09 May 2008 at 3:44am | IP Logged 
slucido wrote:
I was very happy this morning because I saw several messages, but we continue talking about nothing

Serpent wrote:
No one denies it that there's no single best method, but that doesn't mean that sensible methods (that involve input+output+time) are equally effective.


What are those sensible methods?

What evidence we have apart from subjetive preferences?

I only need consensus between experts.



Nice to see how this thread is coming along. ;-)

SLucido, you have been presented evidence: the experiences of the users of this forum. Also, the same papers you accept, for example F.H.Jackson, M.A.Kaplan, Lessons learned from fifty years of theory and practice in government language teaching, reinforce the same evidence. I'm afraid that you won't find other evidence in these Forums. You should perhaps try Google Scholar or other forums, if the users of this forum are not experts enough for you.


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