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| joanthemaid Triglot Senior Member France Joined 5468 days ago 483 posts - 559 votes  Speaks: French*, English, Spanish Studies: Russian, German | Message 129 of 392 27 February 2011 at 10:31am | IP Logged | ||
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Your writing in Romanian really makes me want to learn it... I'm feeling a bit guilty about sticking to West Romance languages. And there are a lot of people from Romania in France (though most of them speak Romani, but they probably speak main-stream Romanian too)
It looks like a beautiful language, and I wanted to learn it at some point... It may be the next on y list! Edited by joanthemaid on 27 February 2011 at 10:34am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| ellasevia Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2011 Senior Member Germany Joined 6140 days ago 2150 posts - 3229 votes Speaks: English*, German, Croatian, Greek, French, Spanish, Russian, Swedish, Portuguese, Turkish, Italian Studies: Catalan, Persian, Mandarin, Japanese, Romanian, Ukrainian | Message 130 of 392 28 February 2011 at 1:06am | IP Logged | ||
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@M. Medialis
Tack för hjälpen och anmärkningen! Jag är glad att mina svenska röst och accent (bör adjektiven vara i pluralis eftersom det finns mer än en sak som listas, fast varje sak är i singularis?) är inte hemsk, så att den är inte perfekt spelar ingen roll. Jag vet att det är mycket svårt att få en perfekt accent därför nöjer jag mig med att den är bara bra. Tack också för detaljerna i PM-en, de var hjälpsama. Jag ska träna vokalerna strax, när jag har tid. @mirab3lla Mersi, o să te întreb dacă am mai multe dificultăţi. Da, ai dreptate. Nu îmi place deloc să locuiesc aici, nu-i interesant şi persoanele sunt plictisoarele; viaţa în Europa îmi surâde mai mult. Acest an la şcoală trebuie să iau o oră de istorie Americii şi urăsc-o, dar anul trecut luam o oră de istorie mondială şi era ora mea preferata. An viitor o să iau o oră de istorie europeană şi sper că o să îmi placă mai mult. Ca tu, vreau să mă mut din America şi să locuiesc undeva în Europa, sau poate în Japonia. Nu ştiu chiar dacă voi putea să vin la România, dar dacă este posibil o să încerc să te vizit. De fapt, am o întrebare acum. Nu înţeleg exact când trebuie să folosesc forma definita cu adjectivele... De exemplu, am folosit-o când am zis “persoanele sunt plictisoarele” dar nu am folosit-o când am zis “anul trecut”. De ce? Am dreptate cu expresiile acestea? @tozick Thanks for the tip. I hadn’t actually heard of it before (I haven’t even taken a train since I was in France ten years ago!), but it looks good. However, this is all presuming that I’m even able to leave the country at all, since I just found out that my passport expires in April and it takes forever to get a new one issued, especially since the US government is possibly shutting down next week… @joanthemaid You should definitely learn Romanian! I’d love to see more Romanian learners on here. It’s an awesome language, and if you’ve never heard it spoken before, it sounds like a mix of the best parts of Italian and Russian. It’s also very beautiful in its written form with the ă, â, î, ş, and ţ and lots of nice vowel combinations like ‘oa,’ ‘ea,’ ‘îi,’ ‘ii,’ and even ‘iii’. For the grammar and vocabulary, I’ve found that it’s an interesting mix of Romance, Slavic, and Greek/Turkish. From Latin it retains three noun genders (but neuter just acts like masculine in the singular and feminine in the plural) and five cases (only three distinct formations though). It also has enclitic definite articles (attaching to the end of the noun) like in the Scandinavian languages, Bulgarian, and Albanian. As for difficulty, it’s certainly more difficult than the other Romance languages (although FSI doesn’t seem to think so as it’s placed in Category 1 along with the rest of them), but definitely isn’t as difficult as the likes of Russian. Knowing Russian will help though, because there are lots of words of Slavic origin in Romanian (богатый --> bogat; больной --> bolnav; дорогой --> drag; свободный --> slobod; отдых --> odihnă), and of course knowing French and Spanish is a benefit to you as well. Edited by ellasevia on 28 February 2011 at 1:10am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
 Iversen Super Polyglot Moderator Denmark berejst.dk Joined 6701 days ago 9078 posts - 16473 votes Speaks: Danish*, French, English, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Dutch, Swedish, Esperanto, Romanian, Catalan Studies: Afrikaans, Greek, Norwegian, Russian, Serbian, Icelandic, Latin, Irish, Lowland Scots, Indonesian, Polish, Croatian Personal Language Map | Message 131 of 392 28 February 2011 at 1:47am | IP Logged | ||
I didn't know that, but I could understand why it was done. In 2009 I made the journey from Beograd to Thessaloniki in a 1-class sleeper compartment in one of those trains. It was easily the most disgusting and filthy train I have seen in recent times - there was no water and no toilet paper, but as a seasoned traveller and born pessimist I did carry my own provisions. However I couldn't get rid of the stench of rotten pee from the sink. The ironical thing is that I have travelled on trains from Beograd to other destinations, and those trains might be old, but I saw nothing as bad as that train to Greece. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| joanthemaid Triglot Senior Member France Joined 5468 days ago 483 posts - 559 votes Speaks: French*, English, Spanish Studies: Russian, German | Message 132 of 392 28 February 2011 at 2:07am | IP Logged | ||
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I think I mostly heard Romanian when that disco band was popular... What was their name again?
Edit: O-Zone! Sometimes there are things I'm kinda ashamed of remembering... Edited by joanthemaid on 28 February 2011 at 2:11am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| mirab3lla Triglot Senior Member United Kingdom lang-8.com/220477Registered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5441 days ago 161 posts - 229 votes Speaks: Romanian*, EnglishC2, German Studies: Spanish, FrenchB1, Mandarin | Message 133 of 392 28 February 2011 at 7:58pm | IP Logged | ||
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@mirab3lla Mersi, o să te întreb dacă am mai multe dificultăţi. Da, ai dreptate. Nu îmi place deloc să locuiesc aici, nu-i interesant şi persoanele sunt plictisoarele; viaţa în Europa îmi surâde mai mult. Acest an la şcoală trebuie să iau o oră de istorie Americii şi urăsc-o, dar anul trecut luam o oră de istorie mondială şi era ora mea preferata. An viitor o să iau o oră de istorie europeană şi sper că o să îmi placă mai mult. Ca tu, vreau să mă mut din America şi să locuiesc undeva în Europa, sau poate în Japonia. Nu ştiu chiar dacă voi putea să vin la România, dar dacă este posibil o să încerc să te vizit. De fapt, am o întrebare acum. Nu înţeleg exact când trebuie să folosesc forma definita cu adjectivele... De exemplu, am folosit-o când am zis “persoanele sunt plictisoarele” dar nu am folosit-o când am zis “anul trecut”. De ce? Am dreptate cu expresiile acestea? QUOTE] Mmm, de fapt, nu, nu ai dreptate. ”anul trecut” este corect, însă persoanele sunt plictisitoarele, nu. Corect este ”persoanele sunt plictisitoare” fără articol pentru adjectiv. Ei bine, probabil ai descoperit deja că în limba română ordinea firească este substantiv+adjectiv În cazul în care substantivul este articulat (sau determinat, după cum spui tu), această sintagmă (=construcție, expresie) devine substantivarticol + adjectiv) Adică exact cum ai spus și tu: anul (substantiv+articol) trecut (adjectiv nedeterminat) Altă metodă ar fi inversarea acestei ordini. Această metodă se folosește des în literatură, având o aromă poetică. Nu e uzuală în vorbirea de zi cu zi, decât în exclamații: adjectiv + substantiv exemplu: somnoroase păsărele ( a very famous poem of Mihai Eminescu) În cazul în care dorești să adaugi un articol, doar atunci îl vei pune la adjectiv: adjectiv articol + substantiv exemplu: somnoroasele păsărele Altă situație în care adjectivul este determinat, este atunci când reprezintă o adresare ( devine aici substantiv în cazul vocativ). exemplu: frumosule, urâtule Deci, ca o sinteză: adjectivul are articol atunci când:
În rest, nu poți articula un adjectiv. Sper că ai înțeles :-). @joanthemaid There are actually even more words which can be found in both Russian and Romanian, диван-divan шутка-șotie and internalionalisms such as телефон-telefon Also, I have noticed that it is easier for me as a Romanian speaker to feel the accent of Russian words, which I find very interesting. Vrei să pleci dar nu mă, nu mă iei, nu mă, nu mă iei, nu mă, nu mă, nu mă iei Chipul tău și dragostea din tei mi-amintesc de ochii tăi! (do you remember this?) Now, I am going to correct some of your errors, Philos (may I call you like this? I like the meaning) Mersi, o să te întreb dacă am mai multe dificultăţi. Da, ai dreptate. Nu îmi place deloc să locuiesc aici, nu-i interesant şi persoanele sunt plictisoare; viaţa în Europa îmi surâde mai mult. Acest an la şcoală trebuie să iau o oră de istorie a Americii şi o urăsc , dar anul trecut luam o oră de istorie mondială şi era ora mea preferată. AnUL viitor o să iau o oră de istorie europeană şi sper că o să îmi placă mai mult. Ca și tine, vreau să mă mut din America şi să locuiesc undeva în Europa, sau poate în Japonia. Nu ştiu chiar dacă voi putea să vin în România, dar dacă este posibil o să încerc să te vizitez. Sorry for not explaining these corrections, but ich habe nicht die Zeit dafür. Edited by mirab3lla on 28 February 2011 at 8:02pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| joanthemaid Triglot Senior Member France Joined 5468 days ago 483 posts - 559 votes Speaks: French*, English, Spanish Studies: Russian, German | Message 134 of 392 28 February 2011 at 9:47pm | IP Logged | ||
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Lol... Yes I remember.
"Divan" originally comes from French, like about 10% of Russian words! For some reason we feel the need to have three words for couch: "canapé", "Divan" and "Sofa". Though I think they might be slightly different types of couches... 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| ruskivyetr Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 5479 days ago 769 posts - 962 votes Speaks: English*, German Studies: Spanish, Russian, Polish, Modern Hebrew | Message 135 of 392 28 February 2011 at 10:28pm | IP Logged | ||
You can get your passport renewed within like two weeks ( only if you expedite it, it's usually MUCH longer, especially if you apply during the summer, so I suggest you expedite it and request overnight delivery, it's much faster, although there is a small fee). It's actually really easy just go to "travel.state.gov"... I have to get my passport renewed this July because that's when it expires, and I don't plan to do that until at least May. And why is Greece canceling all international trains?? (other than what Iversen has said of course) Edited by ruskivyetr on 28 February 2011 at 10:45pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| ellasevia Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2011 Senior Member Germany Joined 6140 days ago 2150 posts - 3229 votes Speaks: English*, German, Croatian, Greek, French, Spanish, Russian, Swedish, Portuguese, Turkish, Italian Studies: Catalan, Persian, Mandarin, Japanese, Romanian, Ukrainian | Message 136 of 392 01 March 2011 at 6:28pm | IP Logged | ||
Quarter 1: Swedish, Persian, Dutch   
FEBRUARY 1-28 Total Study Time This Month: 78 hours Total Study Time in 2011: 162.5 hours Average Study Time This Month: 2.79 hours/day Average Study Time in 2011: 2.75 hours/day  
BLUE: Days I studied Well, the end has finally come. February is usually my least favorite month of the year and I really had a hard time keeping up with my schoolwork, family requirements, and language goals at some points. Somehow though, I managed to clock almost 80 hours of study this month (January: 84.5) and even increased my average daily study time since January (okay, only by 3.6 minutes per day, but it’s still a success). If last month was focused primarily on Persian, this month was focused primarily on Dutch, and I’ll openly admit that I am now addicted to this language. I literally cannot get enough of it. Every time I have the slightest contact with the language, I am simply overjoyed at its awesomeness, and I hope my computer chair can withstand all this extra excited bouncing it’s been experiencing lately. In any case, I love Dutch and am so glad I ended up making it an official part of my year. Oh, and did I mention that I just finished Dutch With Ease about ten minutes ago? I spent double time on Dutch today to get that finished by the end of the month. Really, it’s March already, but I don’t care. I finished the last actual lesson (ie, not counting the very last one which was a review) approximately one minute before the month change here. Anyways, I got quite sidetracked in that last paragraph. Where was I? Oh yes, last month was Persian, this month was Dutch, and hopefully March will be a Swedish-focused month. Or, it had better be because I’ve done far too little Swedish so far and I would really like to make as much progress as possible before I relinquish the linguistic reins to Romanian and Greek (except I’m entertaining the possibility of having German and Greek switch places; more on that when the time comes). Sverige, här kommer jag! Den här månaden ska jag äntligen erövra ditt vackra språk! Jag hoppas att förr skolåret tar slut i maj, jag ska kunna säga sanningsenligt att jag talar svenska, och inte bara att jag studerar den.  SVENSKA
Total Study Time This Month: 10.25 hours Total Study Time in 2011: 29 hours - Assimil Lessons 46-55 (passive), 1-6 (active) - Shadowed Assimil Lessons 1-36 (plus 54 onwards) - Pronunciation Practice - Lots of Swedish Radio  فارسى
Total Study Time This Month: 9.25 hours Total Study Time in 2011: 30.25 hours - Assimil Lessons 31-47  NEDERLANDS
Total Study Time This Month: 20 hours Total Study Time in 2011: 36.25 hours - Assimil Lessons 46-84 (passive), 1-35 (active) I’VE FINISHED THE FIRST WAVE OF ASSIMIL!!!!!!!!!!!!  Deutsch
Total Study Time This Month: 3 hours Total Study Time in 2011: 7 hours - Internet reading/writing - German radio - German research project (for school)  Français
Total Study Time This Month: 2 hours Total Study Time in 2011: 4.5 hours - Vocabulary - Writing stuff (emails, etc.) - French Radio  Română
Total Study Time This Month: 5.75 hours Total Study Time in 2011: 8.25 hours - Reviewed Teach Yourself Romanian Lessons 1-9 - TY Romanian Lesson 10 (+ BYKI vocab study) - Lots of writing in Romanian  Ελληνικά
Total Study Time This Month: 3.75 hours Total Study Time in 2011: 6.5 hours - Greek Lessons with grandmother - Reading articles from Το Βήμα (2) - Reading stories/myths  Polski
Total Study Time This Month: 5.75 hours Total Study Time in 2011: 14.5 hours - Finished MT Polish Foundation - First hour of MT Polish Advanced - Spoken World Polish Lessons 0-1 (+ lots of shadowing and BYKI) - Teach Yourself Polish Lesson 2 - Grammar Practice  Русский
Total Study Time This Month: 6 hours Total Study Time in 2011: 8.5 hours - Cortina Russian Lesson 8 - Cortina Russian Lesson 4 Translation Exercises - BYKI Vocabulary Study: Teach Yourself Russian Lessons 8-9a - Linguaphone Russian Lessons 1-3 - Russian Bible Listening (background)  Kiswahili
Total Study Time This Month: 3.5 hours Total Study Time in 2011: 6 hours - Mwana Simba Lessons 36-40 - Assimil Lessons 1-10 - Reading and Writing in the Multilingual Lounge  日本語
Total Study Time This Month: 8.75 hours Total Study Time in 2011: 11.75 hours - Reviewed Ultimate Japanese Lessons 10-12 - Smart.fm Vocabulary/Sentence Study (almost 600) - Pitch Accent/Pronunciation Practice  漢字
Total Kanji Reviews This Month: 864 reviews Total Restudied Kanji This Month: 306 characters Total Restudied Kanji in 2011: 306 characters OTHER  한국어: Relearned the Korean alphabet (한글)Edited by ellasevia on 01 March 2011 at 7:06pm 1 person has voted this message useful |
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