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| Hekje Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 4495 days ago 842 posts - 1330 votes  Speaks: English*, Dutch Studies: French, Indonesian | Message 265 of 568 15 August 2013 at 5:02am | IP Logged | ||
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Hey Tarvos, ik vind dat heel lief van je. Ik ben blij dat je dit logboek interessant vindt. Ik ben het trouwens met je eens dat 'hoogbegaafd' een volkomen nutteloos woord is. Ik sloeg geen groep over, maar op 8-jarige leeftijd moest ik naar een speciale school voor hoogbegaafde studenten. Sindsdien heb ik alleen op dat soort scholen gezeten - kleuterschool, middle school, en de middelbare school. Al die scholen hadden toelatingsexamens en ik moest elke paar jaar afscheid nemen van de vrienden die de examen niet konden halen. Wat heeft me gered van een onverdiend trotsgevoel was het feit dat we allemaal redelijk slim waren en dezelfde uitdagend opleiding volgden. Bijna niemand kon alle vakken beheersen. Het kwam vaak voor dat ik goede cijfers in Engels haalde maar niet in wiskunde, en met vrienden was het dan andersom. Dus dat was de eerste les: iedereen heeft zijn eigen vak. Pas later drong het tot me door dat er een tweede les was. Zoals ik al zei, was de opleiding bedoeld voor mensen die hoogbegaafd waren. Sommigen waren écht superslim, echt indrukwekkend. Maar ook gemeen, arrogant of onbetrouwbaar. (Gelukkig kwamen die niet vaak voor.) Op een gegeven moment besefte ik dat het beter en ook soms moeilijker is om een goed mens te zijn. Slimheid is niet het belangrijkste. Slimheid is alleen maar een hulpmiddel, die moet je niet misbruiken. Nog een zijdelingse opmerking: als je ooit Tirza leest, zul je vinden dat de concept van hoogbegaafd zijn heel erg belangrijk is voor de plot. Meer kan ik natuurlijk niet zeggen. :-) Okee, na dat verhaaltje... ik heb twee filmpjes bekeken met mijn lieve vriend, Midas Dekkers: Vroeger was het beter en de nieuwe KRO documentaire Achter de toren. Helaas kon ik de tweede niet verstaan (ze praatten plat). De eerste vond ik helemaal bizar zeg maar, Dekkers doet me denken aan een opa die te veel praat of zoiets. Doch had hij wat interessante opmerkingen over vooruitgang maken en hoe een mens überhaupt tevreden wordt. Indonesian I reviewed. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Hekje Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 4495 days ago 842 posts - 1330 votes Speaks: English*, Dutch Studies: French, Indonesian | Message 266 of 568 19 August 2013 at 6:00am | IP Logged | ||
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Het loopt in ieder geval heel goed. Ik ben nu héél erg dichtbij het einde van Blauwe Maandagen - pagina 256. Ik geef toe dat ik de laatste honderd pagina's redelijk saai heb gevonden. Het kan dat het een literary device is om de lezer te laten zien dat prostituees eigenlijk behoorlijk saai zijn maar andere schrijvers doen het veel beter. In ieder geval is tarvos zijn vroegere opmerking bevestigd: Arnon Grunberg is freaky. A few other observations from the week: - The boyf remarked the other day that I pronounced -sch (as in magisch, Russisch, etc.) as "sh" - not "ss". I was mortified! At one point I somehow got it into my head that it was pronounced "sh" and I guess no one has ever corrected me on it. Fortunately it's a small fix. - Learning Dutch saves you money! This week one of my favorite artists posted on Tumblr about how they had a few foreign editions of their graphic novel left over and how if anyone wanted one they could get it for the price of shipping. The copies left were in Italian, Japanese, French, Spanish, and... Dutch! Since I'm in the United States, I was able to get the book for $3.50. This is the only time a book has ever been cheaper for me to get in the U.S. because it's in Dutch. Indonesian I have not reviewed. This weekend has been kind of crazy though. Edited by Hekje on 19 August 2013 at 6:01am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4499 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish | Message 267 of 568 19 August 2013 at 8:39am | IP Logged | ||
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pronouncing -sch as -sh is a German thing. Word-final -sch is a spelling oddity, and in
many nouns it has been corrected already to be -s (mens used to be mensch for example). This unusual spelling has been the object of critique even in the 80s, and famous comedians (and also in some circles) such as van Kooten and de Bie suggested it be written "-ies" (hence the Simplisties Verbond). There are only a few sounds that can be -sh: -sj (which you can also analyse as s+j), - ti in some loans (station), and for example in the expression "chapeau" (meaning "I think that's pretty impressive") (here because it's a loan from French). Nice "Tarvos zijn xxx". You sound like a real Dutchwoman now :) Garpegenitiv is perfectly allowed in colloquial Dutch. I just wouldn't use it in an essay. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Hekje Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 4495 days ago 842 posts - 1330 votes Speaks: English*, Dutch Studies: French, Indonesian | Message 268 of 568 19 August 2013 at 10:32am | IP Logged | ||
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Yeah, I was told that the -sch as "sh" thing is German. However, I've never studied German
so I can't really use that as an excuse. :-P Do you know how the "chapeau" expression came about? It just seems so odd to me because "dat is chapeau" would be literally mean "that is hat". Edit: And thanks, haha, I try. Edited by Hekje on 19 August 2013 at 10:45am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4499 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish | Message 269 of 568 19 August 2013 at 11:19am | IP Logged | ||
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It's only used as an interjection: "chapeau!"
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| geoffw Triglot Senior Member United States Joined 4480 days ago 1134 posts - 1865 votes Speaks: English*, German, Yiddish Studies: Modern Hebrew, French, Dutch, Italian, Russian | Message 270 of 568 19 August 2013 at 1:15pm | IP Logged | ||
Chapeau, as in, "my hat's off to you," I believe.
As a longtime German speaker, that's been a much bigger problem for me! Reading "sch" as "sh" is instinctive for me. And wow. Just, wow. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4499 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish | Message 271 of 568 19 August 2013 at 2:09pm | IP Logged | ||
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Yeah that's what it means.
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| Hekje Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 4495 days ago 842 posts - 1330 votes Speaks: English*, Dutch Studies: French, Indonesian | Message 272 of 568 20 August 2013 at 4:00am | IP Logged | ||
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Geoffw - Ah, I see. Thank you. And yes, it was a great deal.
Tarvos - Thanks. Hope everything works out well with your thesis by the way. Take all the time that you need. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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