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| zerothinking Senior Member Australia Joined 6373 days ago 528 posts - 772 votes  Speaks: English* | Message 9 of 430 22 April 2008 at 10:26am | IP Logged | |||||
Hey that's really interesting about the osmosis ! ^^ 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| ipanema Newbie United States Joined 6529 days ago 37 posts - 38 votes Studies: French | Message 10 of 430 22 April 2008 at 11:15am | IP Logged | |||||
Yeah. It really made me realize how important it is to be an active participant in your language learning process. Another interesting experiment I read about. A guy wanted to see if it were possible to teach himself a language without ever translating it into his native language or a language he was already familiar with. I think his target language was something like Finnish or Icelandic. Anyway, he read books, studied native dictionaries, native grammar books, etc. Everything was entirely in his target language with absolutely zero translation what-so-ever. He spent months doing this and finally realized that while he did learn some, not nearly as much as he would have had he actually used the language he already knew to help him learn his target language. Its great for us that these people are willing to subject themselves to these experiments. We can learn a lot from their time "wasted". ^^ 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| slucido Bilingual Diglot Senior Member Spain https://goo.gl/126Yv Joined 6676 days ago 1296 posts - 1781 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Spanish*, Catalan* Studies: English | Message 11 of 430 22 April 2008 at 12:24pm | IP Logged | |||||
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What I am saying is that the most important factor is TIME and LOVE for the language you're studying. I am not saying it's the only factor. For example: if you are blind or deaf , it can hinder your studies.
I have been reading in this forum for two years. People were writing about Pimsleur, FSI, Michael Thomas, Assimil, Liguaphone, Tell me more, Rosetta stone,Teach your self, Vocabulearn, Learn in your car,Rocket Languages, FIA and so on. I have been reading about more personal approaches like SRS methods, Shadowing, Scriptorium, Listening-Reading methods, Audiobook methods, Books methods, Skype methods, DVD movie methods, TV methods, alljpaneneseallthetime method,antimoon method, inmersion methods ....and endless different combinations between them. It's interesting, because some people think some of this methods are the BEST and some of them think the same methods are useless, boring ...or the WORST. Thinking about that, How is it possible such a level of contradictions between people who have succeed learning languages.Well, I ask you: What's the COMMON denominator between them? I can only think about one factor: TIME spent WITH the target language. They listen, read, write and speak in the target language A LOT OF TIME and every day. Do you know any other common factor aside TIME devoted to their target/s language? Edited by slucido on 22 April 2008 at 12:29pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| TheElvenLord Diglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 6081 days ago 915 posts - 927 votes 1 sounds Speaks: Cornish, English* Studies: Spanish, French, German Studies: Portuguese, Mandarin | Message 12 of 430 22 April 2008 at 12:37pm | IP Logged | |||||
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I think that its important for you to do what that guy did WHILE you do your studies.
I have learnt over 300 words (Maybe more) from about 100 hours of speaking and 200 hours of listening (i listen to alot of podcasts etc.) - only from inferring the meaning and/or being told the meaning and it sticks. But, you wont be able to infer the meaning of the word unless you know the rest of the scentences meaning. For example (___ is a word different from the language its written in) The Cat was run over by a __ You infer that the meaning of the last word is Van or Car or somthing of the sort. Now, iif i give you the same sort of thing in a language you dont know. Yma'n gath ow ___ war an fos Because 99.9% of you dont understand that language (there may be some, i dont know), you have no idea of the meaning of the missing word. TEL 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| leosmith Senior Member United States Joined 6551 days ago 2365 posts - 3804 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Tagalog | Message 13 of 430 22 April 2008 at 12:48pm | IP Logged | |||||
Very cool to see all these methods listed in one place. I agree that time is extreemly important, but I also agree that one needs comprehensible input to be able to learn. So I think it's impossible to say one is more important than the other. If you rephrased the question a little, for example "If you choose from several dozen established methods that utilize comprehensible input (i+1), which is more important - time on task, or method?" I would say time on task. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Volte Tetraglot Senior Member Switzerland Joined 6440 days ago 4474 posts - 6726 votes Speaks: English*, Esperanto, German, Italian Studies: French, Finnish, Mandarin, Japanese | Message 14 of 430 22 April 2008 at 1:09pm | IP Logged | |||||
Well-said, leosmith. I agree. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| kealist Senior Member United States kealist.comRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6237 days ago 111 posts - 124 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Uyghur, Mandarin, Shanghainese | Message 16 of 430 22 April 2008 at 1:43pm | IP Logged | |||||
I want to post a counter example to this: The Norsk Experiment He seems to have learned Norwegian in a reasonable time (~3 months) using only Norwegian materials. He also seems motivated by a strong love for the language. It may be possible to learn a language using nothing but the language itself, as seen from this site. But it may rest on how related the language is to what one knows beforehand. He did mostly active work, but the number of hours he spent seems to be uncounted. He was a big SRS supporter when he started. He said that the experiment changed how he view language, but is not certain how generalized the results can be to an entirely foreign language. His friend tried to do the same with Finnish (may be the example from the quote above, but said it is of little importance to a practical language learner.) I was considering trying this with German, but it has not been planned as of yet. Reading through it is worthwhile, if nothing else. A major part of it may have more to do with the comprehensibility of the input. Listening to a radio stream you can't understand is different than looking at a picture (or a catalog) with text. Over time using some simple sources, I think it is possible to build up an understanding. I also think this would be much more difficult using a language with a non-latin script. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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