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| CaitO'Ceallaigh Triglot Senior Member United States katiekelly.wordpress Joined 6858 days ago 795 posts - 829 votes  Speaks: English*, Spanish, Russian Studies: Czech, German | Message 241 of 430 02 May 2008 at 11:21am | IP Logged | |||||
Skype can still be input. It might not be "the best" input, but it is still input, and maybe the best you can do at that time. Slucido had pointed out what he thought were the best methods, but I somehow took it in the context of that these (DVDs) were the best methods for him, at that time. It changes and can be different for everyone. I thought the whole point of this was that there isn't a universal "best method," and what's more important is the time spent on the method that you like enough to keep using consistently, that you feel really works. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| slucido Bilingual Diglot Senior Member Spain https://goo.gl/126Yv Joined 6676 days ago 1296 posts - 1781 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Spanish*, Catalan* Studies: English | Message 242 of 430 02 May 2008 at 11:25am | IP Logged | |||||
Yes, it that easy :-) Some people feel good with extreme methods and others with average methods. I really can not understand where is the problem. Edited by slucido on 02 May 2008 at 11:26am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| CaitO'Ceallaigh Triglot Senior Member United States katiekelly.wordpress Joined 6858 days ago 795 posts - 829 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, Russian Studies: Czech, German | Message 243 of 430 02 May 2008 at 11:27am | IP Logged | |||||
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I don't think that they liked that you said a person can learn languages from DVDs alone or without ever using a dictionary. They thought you meant that was the ONLY way, or that was the best way, and everything else was just psychologal, or adornment, or not really necessary. And I think you were saying, psychologal or adornment or not, if it works, it works. Keep doing it.
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| CaitO'Ceallaigh Triglot Senior Member United States katiekelly.wordpress Joined 6858 days ago 795 posts - 829 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, Russian Studies: Czech, German | Message 244 of 430 02 May 2008 at 11:32am | IP Logged | |||||
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Speaking of input, I had heard "red herring" so many times in my life, and I never really knew what I meant, so I looked it up in a dictionary of all things, and learned it means "something designed to change the subject, something that diverts attention." That's INPUT.
Then I looked it up in Spanish, and my new word for the day is "pista falsa". So I just learned TWO words today, proving that even this circular debate can still yield positive INPUT. It took a lot of TIME, but I wouldn't have learned these words without it, but it was my PASSION that carried me through. :) 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| frenkeld Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 6944 days ago 2042 posts - 2719 votes Speaks: Russian*, English Studies: German | Message 245 of 430 02 May 2008 at 11:32am | IP Logged | |||||
The point is that while using a dictionary may have some "psychological component", it is not just a placebo. Some of its effects are quite real. Therefore, methods that do not involve a dictionary (or its rough equivalent, a translation) may be much slower than those that do. Therefore, some methods are objectively different from other methods, which is one of the central points of contention in this thread. (A method, approach, whatever, isn't just about comparing Assimil and FSI - it must be seen more broadly.) To reduce the number of posts, let me change the subject and get back to the "passion" issue. Of your two ingredients, time and passion, I find time to be a hard requirement, but I find passion to be a nice extra that is in no way fundamental to successful language-learning. You grew up in a Mediterranean country, you guys are all passionate and such. Where I grew up there were days with -30 Celsius outside, which left no room for passion. Still, some people learned their languages, and not only in the spring. People come with different characters and personalities, and some can make a decision to learn a language and sustain it without feeling any great passion for it, at least not all the time. In fact, a life-long commitment to a language is sometimes compared to marriage. Marriages that rely on passion alone to hold them together are known not to do very well on average. Some even say passion is secondary to a successful marriage. Edited by frenkeld on 02 May 2008 at 11:42am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| frenkeld Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 6944 days ago 2042 posts - 2719 votes Speaks: Russian*, English Studies: German | Message 246 of 430 02 May 2008 at 11:35am | IP Logged | |||||
'Straw man' is another important concept to keep in mind while following this thread. Edited by frenkeld on 02 May 2008 at 11:36am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| frenkeld Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 6944 days ago 2042 posts - 2719 votes Speaks: Russian*, English Studies: German | Message 247 of 430 02 May 2008 at 11:40am | IP Logged | |||||
Well, for those people who can't even learn with the best input there is, full immersion, Skype surely won't be of much use. The question is whether "input+output+time" are all it takes for everyone. I am still on the fence about it even in the full immersion situations. You must have met quite a few East Asians whose English remains rather poor throughout their lives. Do they lack passion for English, or could it be that some of them have neuronal circuitry that needs more than "input+output+time"? Edited by frenkeld on 02 May 2008 at 11:46am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| frenkeld Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 6944 days ago 2042 posts - 2719 votes Speaks: Russian*, English Studies: German | Message 248 of 430 02 May 2008 at 11:41am | IP Logged | |||||
Have you ever tried full immersion? If yes, for how long? 1 person has voted this message useful |
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