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| CaitO'Ceallaigh Triglot Senior Member United States katiekelly.wordpress Joined 6858 days ago 795 posts - 829 votes  Speaks: English*, Spanish, Russian Studies: Czech, German | Message 353 of 430 05 May 2008 at 8:00pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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I'm passing the baton on to Barry Farber, the inspiration for this website. Great interview here. Take it away, Barry:
Fascinating Interview with Barry Farber "I want to concentrate on one language at a time, but that may involve six [languages] a day. I’m still fumbling for the best way, but I’m not saying I’ve got it yet." -- Barry Farber 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Goindol Senior Member United States Joined 6075 days ago 165 posts - 203 votes | Message 354 of 430 05 May 2008 at 8:04pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Fair enough. I don't know of the best method - only what has worked for me.
But I had thought that this thread wasn't about whether there is a best method, per se, but whether it is possible to separate the wheat from the chaff at all? Or indeed, whether there is a difference between the two? 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Mcjon01 Newbie United States Joined 6309 days ago 29 posts - 29 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Japanese | Message 355 of 430 05 May 2008 at 8:05pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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I would posit that the method where I focus on making more mnemonic stories for kanji is far more effective than the one where I waste any more time reading through this topic. 44 pages is a lot. :P
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| CaitO'Ceallaigh Triglot Senior Member United States katiekelly.wordpress Joined 6858 days ago 795 posts - 829 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, Russian Studies: Czech, German | Message 356 of 430 05 May 2008 at 8:21pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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That's what Slucido was saying, although he also felt he was exempt, because he's learning English, so this has all been good practice for him. :)
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| reineke Senior Member United States https://learnalangua Joined 6448 days ago 851 posts - 1008 votes Studies: German | Message 357 of 430 05 May 2008 at 9:07pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
First of all, sensei, what does ice-cream represent and how does that relate to our argument? A method? What is the stated goal? Enjoyment? Goodness :) Or perhaps should it be getting fat (learning a language)? Sorry, that's the best anyone can do with ice-cream. Look at the fat content. The one that makes you nice and fat may not taste the best. It might actually look and taste more like that tub of lard I mentioned earlier. Edited by reineke on 05 May 2008 at 9:07pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| CaitO'Ceallaigh Triglot Senior Member United States katiekelly.wordpress Joined 6858 days ago 795 posts - 829 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, Russian Studies: Czech, German | Message 358 of 430 05 May 2008 at 9:42pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Ice cream represents personal preference.
Edit: But then we moved on from that. This is not productive because a few of us are getting stuck in the details, rather than over all comprehension. Edited by CaitO'Ceallaigh on 05 May 2008 at 9:43pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| slucido Bilingual Diglot Senior Member Spain https://goo.gl/126Yv Joined 6676 days ago 1296 posts - 1781 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Spanish*, Catalan* Studies: English | Message 359 of 430 06 May 2008 at 5:00am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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About goals:
My goal is learning languages to a native or near native level. I am talking about that from the very beginning. About methods: I understand some of your concerns about methods. If your goal is learning history, medicine, philosophy ...you have good techniques and objetive scientific evidence. For example: spaced repetion, visual imaginery, elaborative interrogation, keyword technique, mind maps, summaries...are objetively good. You always have a subjetive component, but these are 'best techniques' for learners. If you have an examination tomorrow, these techniques are the best for the average learner. You can fit some of this techniques to your language learning goals, for example, -keyword is better than learning by rote. -Spaced repetition is better than overlearning. If you have a vocabulary examination tomorrow, it's usually better to use keyword and overlearning. If you have this examination in 6 months, it's usually better to use keyword and spaced repetion. That's not absolutly true, but I hope we agree, because we have enough good OBJECTIVE evidence. Here, the problem is our language learning goal. We are talking about mastering a language. It's not enough to learn vocabulary , we need fixing them to a REFLEX level. It's this long term goal where methods and techniques decrease their evidence and MOTIVATION and TIME become the strongest factors. Maybe keyword is better at the very beginning, but later it's efficiency decrease dramatically. We have evidence about that. So, this keyword technique it's useful at basic stages, because you feel GOOD and improve your MOTIVATION. BUT...in spite of this objetive evidence, a lot of people feel that keyword technique is nonsense and you need to learn vocabulary by context from the first step... Here we have OBJECTIVE evidence ruled out by SUBJETIVE motivations. I think SUBJETIVE reasons are the most important in learning languages. Edited by slucido on 06 May 2008 at 6:53am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| ChrisWebb Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 6264 days ago 181 posts - 190 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Korean | Message 360 of 430 06 May 2008 at 6:03am | IP Logged | ||||||||
I have never advocated anything but native materials beyond the beginner stage. If you weren't so busy constructing straw men to knock down and instead attempted to address the arguements people actually make you might have noticed that. I have in fact been explicit about that this in more than one post. Pointedly, my first post in the whole thread contained the following;
As for my bus/train versus walking analogy I'd note that even using the bus or train for only the first 50 miles you will, all things being equal, still get to 1000 miles faster than if you walked the whole way. That isnt a psychological difference, it is very real, further those 50 miles are probably the hardest of all so the difference might be greater than you imagine. Edited by ChrisWebb on 06 May 2008 at 6:21am 1 person has voted this message useful |
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