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Radioclare’s tac log 2015 (*jäŋe/*ledús) | ||
Tags: Macedonian | Serbian | Serbo-Croatian | Croatian | Esperanto | Total Annihilation Challenge (TAC) | ||
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| Radioclare Triglot Senior Member United Kingdom timeofftakeoff.com Joined 4584 days ago 689 posts - 1119 votes  Speaks: English*, German, Esperanto Studies: Croatian, Serbian, Macedonian | Message 89 of 292 16 March 2015 at 12:57pm | IP Logged | ||
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My (many!) errors have been corrected at Lang-8. I think lack of enthusiasm about this theme may have translated into a poor effort all round!
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Not sure there are any positives I can take from that! Perhaps that some of the mistakes I don't think were actually mistakes as such; I've been reading a lot of Serbian recently and I keep accidentally using 'da' clauses instead of infinitives, which seems to be every Croatian's number one thing to correct. I spent about another two hours writing on Sunday evening and have finished a first draft of my fairy tale for the March challenge. It's on paper at the moment so I'm not sure how long it is but I'm guessing about 2,000 words. I'll type it up this evening and then spend a few days editing it and trying to correct as many mistakes as possible, because I'm guessing that no one will correct something that lengthy on Lang-8. Some good news is that on Saturday we spontaneously booked a short break to Prague for August bank holiday. I haven't been to Prague since 2009 and I'm extremely excited. Perhaps my May 6WC needs to be a Czech refresher! 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Radioclare Triglot Senior Member United Kingdom timeofftakeoff.com Joined 4584 days ago 689 posts - 1119 votes Speaks: English*, German, Esperanto Studies: Croatian, Serbian, Macedonian | Message 90 of 292 17 March 2015 at 11:21pm | IP Logged | ||
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I typed up the draft of my story last night and 2,000 words was a good guess, because
it actually came to 1,998 :) It still needs a *lot* of work. Watch this space. I saw an article on Twitter today about a drive to create new Croatian words for English expressions working their way into the language. There's a new website called Bolje je hrvatski which has suggestions for Croatian translations like "razvojna tvrtka" for "start-up company". I don't know whether there is a nationalist agenda behind this, but politics aside I much prefer when languages have their own words for things rather than using English ones. I find it confusing when seemingly English words crop up in other languages without necessarily having quite the same meaning or being pronounced the same way as they would be in English (eg. punk/pank!) :D Edited by Radioclare on 17 March 2015 at 11:23pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4708 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish | Message 91 of 292 18 March 2015 at 3:37am | IP Logged | ||
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The problem with those transliterations is always which accent they choose. If you speak
with a North American accent often the transliteration is different ;) Pank is a great transliteration for North American speakers. Spelling it Punk (poonk) would just be really weird. It corresponds closely to how I would pronounce the word. But if you're from oop north then no cake for you when it comes to the transliterations, that's right, lass... Edited by tarvos on 18 March 2015 at 3:38am 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Radioclare Triglot Senior Member United Kingdom timeofftakeoff.com Joined 4584 days ago 689 posts - 1119 votes Speaks: English*, German, Esperanto Studies: Croatian, Serbian, Macedonian | Message 92 of 292 18 March 2015 at 3:50pm | IP Logged | ||
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:)
Transliterations definitely confuse me and that is possibly because I often have no idea how a North American would pronounce something. It's not necessarily always that though; I remember being very amused when I was in Italy and people were pronouncing Wi-Fi in a way which - to me - sounded like "whiffy" :) I also find it very confusing how seemingly English words crop up in German with odd meanings. "Handy" (hendy!), "Beamer", "Old-timer"... One which I have heard used in Croatian too is "Mobbing"; it seems to have the same meaning in Croatian as in German (workplace bullying) but if I used in my workplace I don't think any of the native English speakers here would know what it meant. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4708 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish | Message 93 of 292 18 March 2015 at 4:11pm | IP Logged | ||
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This is because Italians read I as the "ee" sound usually. Or actually something between
the "i" of pit and the y at the end of English words such as in "happy". I pronounce it as such in Dutch too. :) In North America, "o" like in "fox" often sounds like the "a" in "father". The "u" also tends to have an a-ish quality to it. If you want, I can pronounce the words for you in my North American accent and you can compare :) (I can also pronounce them in the UK way, but then I sound like I'm from somewhere around London) Edited by tarvos on 18 March 2015 at 4:11pm 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Radioclare Triglot Senior Member United Kingdom timeofftakeoff.com Joined 4584 days ago 689 posts - 1119 votes Speaks: English*, German, Esperanto Studies: Croatian, Serbian, Macedonian | Message 94 of 292 19 March 2015 at 11:36pm | IP Logged | ||
I'm struggling to think of having heard an "o" that sounds like an "a" but I have definitely heard "a"s that sound like "o"s! The only American thing I ever watch is wrestling and I remember years ago hearing the announcers talking about a guy whose name sounded like "Ted Dee-bee-oss-ee" only to be very confused later when I found out his surname was spelled "DiBiase". It would be fascinating to hear how you pronounce them. But I don't want to put you out! ******************** This evening I finally finished reading "Чаробњак из Оза", which is a children's version of the "Wizard of Oz" and the second children's book I've read in Cyrillic. I've got one more children's book to go before I tackle a proper novel. My reading speed is still very slow, but it is starting to feel a lot easier now. I think mastering handwriting has really helped. I also spent another hour tonight editing my fairy tale for the Output Challenge. I've got 700 words that I'm happy with now, so about a third of the way through. I haven't got a lot on this weekend, so hopefully I'll make some significant progress with it. Edited by Radioclare on 19 March 2015 at 11:38pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4708 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish | Message 95 of 292 20 March 2015 at 4:56am | IP Logged | ||
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You can't put me out with that - I stand in front of a whiteboard every day and make the
silliest faces, I teach children English. Don't you worry about that :p 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Chung Diglot Senior Member Joined 7157 days ago 4228 posts - 8259 votes 20 sounds Speaks: English*, French Studies: Polish, Slovak, Uzbek, Turkish, Korean, Finnish | Message 96 of 292 20 March 2015 at 5:59pm | IP Logged | ||
I'd say that there's a bit of a nationalist agenda, although it definitely isn't unique to Croats. See Language Reform and Croatian Linguistic Purism for a bit of background. I have mixed feelings about the place of foreign words or loanwords in any language. On one hand, I often get mildly annoyed when I see fellow native speakers use "je ne sais quoi", "verboten", "sans" or "summa summarum" for "indescribable"/"something special", "forbidden"/"not allowed", "without" or "in total". They just rub me the wrong way. On the other hand, terms such as "realpolitik", "candy", "et cetera", "special" don't engender the same annoyance even though they too are loanwords or outright foreign terms. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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