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| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6598 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes  4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 537 of 713 04 June 2012 at 8:29pm | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||
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Imo, watching vs listening is not a straight-forward thing. There's football, there are films about various locations... there are dubbed movies too.
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| anarion21 Triglot Newbie France Joined 4559 days ago 9 posts - 9 votes Speaks: French*, Spanish, English | Message 538 of 713 04 June 2012 at 8:38pm | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||
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I join this challenge. :)
I'm more or less B2 in English and C1 in Spanish. That's why I want to do it in both languages. 100 movies and 100 books in English. And the same in Spanish. I wanted to do the super advanced in Spanish but it seems to me it is too difficult to reach 200 interesting movies in Spanish. ;) 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||||||||
| RMM Diglot Groupie United States Joined 5228 days ago 91 posts - 215 votes Speaks: English*, German Studies: Italian, Spanish, Ancient Greek, French, Swedish, Japanese | Message 539 of 713 04 June 2012 at 9:43pm | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||
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Thanks Surrealix. I think I'll go ahead and start on the writing now and just add them later to Twitter when the update comes.
As far as music goes, I think it's a good idea to listen to foreign music, but it really seems very different from films or even audio books to me. With some music, it's hard to hear the lyrics clearly. For other songs, the lyrics are really short and repetitive. I think the way you memorize song lyrics is tied up with the melody and rhythm, which is not at all like memorizing normal dialogue or narration. There's also the point that people tend to pay more attention to watching movies, whereas people often listen to music while doing other things. If we do this, I really think it should be a separate, optional category (like writing and conversations), or just something people can keep track of on their own. "Films" is already the "easy" category compared to books and to water it down even more with something quite different would not I think be the best, most helpful idea. Anyway didn't Solfrid Cristin already nix the idea of music for this category somewhere earlier in this huge thread, or am I imagining that? Edit: After thinking about this for a bit, I just wanted to add that if we do have a separate category for "Music/Listening," then I think it should be optional whether we want to count audio books under Films or Music. In some ways I think audio books are much closer to movies, in that they both tell stories, typically have dialogue, and have a lot of spoken speech unlike music. However, there is also the lack of visual context, etc. that Jeffers mentioned that make them more like music that you also listen to. Even if we don't add this category officially now, perhaps this is the sort of thing we can keep in mind if we do this over again a year and half from now ;). Edited by RMM on 04 June 2012 at 11:33pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||||||||
| Solfrid Cristin Heptaglot Winner TAC 2011 & 2012 Senior Member Norway Joined 5335 days ago 4143 posts - 8864 votes Speaks: Norwegian*, Spanish, Swedish, French, English, German, Italian Studies: Russian | Message 540 of 713 04 June 2012 at 11:31pm | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||
I am afraid you are too advanced to do the Super Challenge which are for those who have a maximum B1 level, but you are most welcome at the Advanced Super Challenge :-). Find a couple of series you like which are dubbed into Spanish, and it will be a breeze. If you live anywhere near Paris, Virgin Store at the Champs Elysees have lots of American series, some of which are dubbed also into Spanish. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||||||||
| surrealix Diglot Groupie New Zealand languagechallenge.su Joined 4605 days ago 66 posts - 152 votes Speaks: English*, Swedish Studies: French | Message 541 of 713 05 June 2012 at 1:33am | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||
Can you explain this in a bit more detail? The twitter bot currently lists all users with their objectives (ie, which challenge/s) and clicking on a name will give the precise target numbers. However I know you're using the bot, so it can't be this you're talking about ...
I guess I have a slightly different perspective on this because I mostly listen to audio books, and films are incidental - and for whatever reason audiobooks ended up being in the same category, I had the mental label "audio stuff". But saying that, I agree with the fact they're quite different.
Yikes, this suddenly got complicated. Did we have an official ruling on CDs/Music somewhere earlier in the thread, as mentioned? I can't remember anything, but I have trouble keeping up with such a mass of information! I agree that the best route would have been to have Audio as a separate category from the start, and from a technical standpoint it's almost as easy to add it in now. However from a how-does-this-fit-in-with-current-challenges standpoint it seems to get really messy. For a start it upsets the balance of the competition (adding more to the challenge and/or changing people's goals). Switching items between a 'film' and 'audio' category would be even more confusing, and adding an audio category outright means editing a huge number of existing entries that would then have been placed wrong. As usual I'll go with the communities thoughts (or the 'official' ruling) on this, but my personal view is that it's going to be a mess to try and change things now. Maybe a good half-way measure is adding sub-category tracking on personal pages (that splits up your films based on which tag you used, so you can see what percentage of "films" were actually books, or CDs, etc). It doesn't change the twitter/ranking/challenges at all, and I've been planning to do this anyway. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||||||||
| kanewai Triglot Senior Member United States justpaste.it/kanewai Joined 4890 days ago 1386 posts - 3054 votes Speaks: English*, French, Marshallese Studies: Italian, Spanish | Message 542 of 713 05 June 2012 at 1:58am | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||
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My thoughts are: keep it simple.
I also have a hard time considering listening to music as 'language study.' It seems like this is more a way to rack up points on twitter than a way to challenge yourself to improve in your TL. Edited by kanewai on 05 June 2012 at 3:20am 4 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||||||||
| RMM Diglot Groupie United States Joined 5228 days ago 91 posts - 215 votes Speaks: English*, German Studies: Italian, Spanish, Ancient Greek, French, Swedish, Japanese | Message 543 of 713 05 June 2012 at 2:24am | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||
Actually, I thought that avoiding this was one reason why it would be important to give people the option of how to classify audio books. If they’ve classified audio books they’ve already done as films then they should just leave it that way. But in the future they could choose which category to use. This would also give people more leeway if they don’t really have easy access to 50 or 100 disparate music albums. As far as fitting in with the current challenges, could it just be added on to the existing categories like the conversations and writing options are? This is, of course, getting even more complicated and I don’t even know if there really is demand enough to justify this at any rate. I’m just throwing out ideas. I’m cool with it however it goes. I do think that tracking music is a good idea, but as far as previous rulings go, I went back and searched the thread and this is what I found (the “I think” perhaps indicates that she wasn’t dead-set about this, but she has indeed already “ruled” on it):
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| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6598 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 544 of 713 05 June 2012 at 4:04am | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||
And don't judge. :E 1 person has voted this message useful |
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