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| Марк Senior Member Russian Federation Joined 5054 days ago 2096 posts - 2972 votes  Speaks: Russian* | Message 505 of 672 26 June 2012 at 12:33pm | IP Logged | |||||
Bolivia doesn't respect itself while Russia does. We allowed to come to our country without visa to citizens of the countries which allowed the same to Russians. Why don't you suffer the lack of tourism despite all those visas? How many Europeans have visited Ukraine for example since they allowed to come without visas? And this silly bureaucratic way was completely borrowed from "Western" countries. Nowadays it became very easy for Russians to travel everywhere, except for the Western Europe and Northern America. So, The Russian government officially announced: it will abandon visas with the EU, if the EU agrees to do the same. That's fair, I support this. 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4705 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish | Message 506 of 672 26 June 2012 at 2:34pm | IP Logged | |||||
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This isn't about respect, it's about money. I don't care who came up with the "rules".
We don't suffer lack of tourism because, shocker, most of our tourism is inter-EU (from other EU countries or rich countries that have an easy time getting a visa: commonwealth states, Japan, Korea, etc). That's a whole lot of rich people spending money on our economy!
A lot more. And they will continue to do so - just look at Euro 2012.
Russia has oil money, man. Those governments that you have trade relationships with simply want your oil. Edited by tarvos on 26 June 2012 at 2:50pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Tecktight Diglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member United States Joined 4974 days ago 227 posts - 327 votes Speaks: English*, Serbian Studies: German, Russian, Estonian | Message 507 of 672 26 June 2012 at 2:56pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Mark, I'm sorry, but give me a break.
Every single Russian I have spoken to here agrees with me when I say that the visa process is ridiculous. Not only that, but it's damn expensive. Anyone planning to visit Russia should plan to spend an extra 300 euros minimum and also have their passport held hostage for weeks. I find it ridiculous that I have to go through this extensive process each time I want to visit my mom. And I even have a Russian birth certificate (though no longer citizenship). It would be nothing but beneficial for Russia to have European tourists. Tourism brings money. Tourists are the ones who would be buying souvenirs at stores, clothes in the expensive malls, and going to restaurants. Yes, Russians go out to restaurants and bring in money, but in certain popular places, like the Arbat and near the Kremlin, tourists are the ones who provide a big percentage of the money. I have some friends who work in local cafes here in Moscow and they love serving foreigners because foreigners tip. Most Russians tip something like 100 rubles for a full meal...and most don't tip at all, seeing it's not customary. It's exactly attitudes like yours that are detrimental to the image of Russia. Interacting with the West doesn't make Russia less Russian. It just makes it seem less of a stubborn bull whose got its iron curtain panties in a twist and is perpetually angry for it. With your comments on the forum, and many people I have met in real life who hold similar views to you, it's always "the West" thinks X, while Russia thinks "Y." Europe vs. Russia, Russia vs. Europe. Russia vs. America, America vs. Russia. It's not that simple. We're all, in fact, kind of similar people. I live in the periphery of these two sides. I know both of them well, and I know that they can both get along. 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| Марк Senior Member Russian Federation Joined 5054 days ago 2096 posts - 2972 votes Speaks: Russian* | Message 508 of 672 26 June 2012 at 3:04pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Why does China require visas? It is definitely a pragmatic country. are there any figures
about tourism in Ukraine? Euro 2012 is a unique event, we shouldn't count it. I think the increase of tourism won't be significant but it will be a significant deviation from Russian principles. If it were important for the EU countries to ease visa regime with Russia, they would have already done it. I don't know what's the connection with oil, but how can the Western countries say they are open when they make so much requirements and so many refusals. Especially the USA. They also criticized the Soviet Union because it restricted its citizens' freedom of movement. They must be grateful to the Soviet Union and other socialist states for that. A "closed" country Iran gives its visas on arrival if you booked a hotel there, for example. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4705 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish | Message 509 of 672 26 June 2012 at 3:16pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Chinese government is also autocratic meanie bollocks, but a Chinese visa is way easier
to get. If Chinese people could emigrate to Europe en masse (or to the US), they would! So, China is MAD that we have visas for Chinese people. Same reason as Russia, only the Chinese want to do business with us so they're making it slightly easier. Visas are an economic thing and have 0 to do with national pride.
But they don't, because they don't want mass immigration. Really, you think all the Russians will stay put if we opened our borders? 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Марк Senior Member Russian Federation Joined 5054 days ago 2096 posts - 2972 votes Speaks: Russian* | Message 510 of 672 26 June 2012 at 3:19pm | IP Logged | |||||
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But aren't ridiculous the requirements which has established the USA during two past
decades? It is really difficult to get an American visa, especially if you have relatives there. For example, if your parents live their and invite you, your chances of getting a refusal grow up. Russia established such rules as a response. We do not require any visas from more than thirty countries and their number is growing. The USA has logically one of the toughest. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4705 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish | Message 511 of 672 26 June 2012 at 3:25pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Yeah, the USA has tough visa requirements because if they don't, the world will emigrate
to the US en masse. Let it be known that I think the US and Australia have terrible visa laws though. They're the exceptions (although I'm Dutch so I can get in for tourism no problem) 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Tecktight Diglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member United States Joined 4974 days ago 227 posts - 327 votes Speaks: English*, Serbian Studies: German, Russian, Estonian | Message 512 of 672 26 June 2012 at 3:35pm | IP Logged | |||||
In these same past two decades, the U.S. has been touted as the "golden land of opportunity." It was THE place to immigrate to. That sentiment is, of course, dwindling severely now, but, generally speaking, many, many, many more people try to immigrate to the U.S. than to Russia. The ones who try to immigrate to Russia are your neighbors in the former USSR countries...mostly from the Caucuses and the 'Stan' nations. So it's only logical for the U.S. to have stricter visa regulations than the other way around. Moreover, obtaining a visa for the U.S. is less difficult for Europeans of means...i.e. people who statistically are not likely to move to the U.S. on a permanent basis. Moreover, many aspects of the Russian visa process are archaic and just silly. You know that a traveler can be detained in Russia if he attempts to leave after his visa has expired. I've actually heard stories of people who've overstayed half a day or less by accident, and were detained because of it. Logic would dictate a response more akin to "Get the hell out of our country now, bozo!" to such a traveler, rather than "oh, let's keep you here for no reason at all until you re-apply for a new visa (which you can't actually USE, by the way), so you can stay in the little area we created adjacent to Sheremetyevo which consists of stark rooms with an armed guard, and which rooms you can't leave for whatever reason unless specifically requested. have fun." 2 persons have voted this message useful |
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