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| rggg Heptaglot Senior Member Mexico Joined 6309 days ago 373 posts - 426 votes  Speaks: Spanish*, English, French, Italian, Portuguese, Indonesian, Malay Studies: Romanian, Catalan, Greek, German, Swedish | Message 217 of 315 19 September 2009 at 5:07am | IP Logged | ||
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Un ejemplo sería el pasado perifrástico del catalán.
Primero veamos la conjugación del verbo ir (anar) en presente: Vaig = voy Vas = vas Va = va Anem = vamos Aneu = van Van = van Para formar el pasado perifrástico, se usa una forma conjugada del verbo ir en presente (anar) + un verbo en infinitivo y aunque parece que queremos expresar un futuro inminente, en realidad estamos usando un equivalente del pretérito perfecto simple del español. vaig pensar = pensé va dormir = durmió van cantar = cantaron Cuando vi esta estructura por primera vez me pareció muy interesante =) Ciao!!! 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| JW Hexaglot Senior Member United States youtube.com/user/egw Joined 6106 days ago 1802 posts - 2011 votes 22 sounds Speaks: English*, German, Spanish, Ancient Greek, French, Biblical Hebrew Studies: Luxembourgish, Dutch, Greek, Italian | Message 218 of 315 19 September 2009 at 10:27pm | IP Logged | ||
C'est très intéressant ça. Est-ce qu'il y a un futur proche en catalan? 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
 Iversen Super Polyglot Moderator Denmark berejst.dk Joined 6687 days ago 9078 posts - 16473 votes Speaks: Danish*, French, English, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Dutch, Swedish, Esperanto, Romanian, Catalan Studies: Afrikaans, Greek, Norwegian, Russian, Serbian, Icelandic, Latin, Irish, Lowland Scots, Indonesian, Polish, Croatian Personal Language Map | Message 219 of 315 19 September 2009 at 11:09pm | IP Logged | ||
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Cert, - hi ha un futur pròxim perifràstic, i lo estrany és que aquest futur també es forma amb 'anar': "jo vaig a veure" ("je vais voir"), però "jo vaig veure" (j'ai vu")
------ Le problème n'est pas que je fais de gaffes (comme tout le monde), mais qu'il arrive que je ne les vois pas et donc que je ne les corrige pas. Edited by Iversen on 21 September 2009 at 12:24am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| JW Hexaglot Senior Member United States youtube.com/user/egw Joined 6106 days ago 1802 posts - 2011 votes 22 sounds Speaks: English*, German, Spanish, Ancient Greek, French, Biblical Hebrew Studies: Luxembourgish, Dutch, Greek, Italian | Message 220 of 315 20 September 2009 at 5:29am | IP Logged | ||
J'ai voir ou Je vais voir? Edited by JW on 20 September 2009 at 5:30am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
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JW:
El señor Iversen ya ha contestado tu pregunta, si, hay un "futur perifràstic" en catalán y su estructura es muy similar a la del "Pretèrit perifràstic". vaig cantar = canté vaig a cantar = voy a cantar Adéu 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| JW Hexaglot Senior Member United States youtube.com/user/egw Joined 6106 days ago 1802 posts - 2011 votes 22 sounds Speaks: English*, German, Spanish, Ancient Greek, French, Biblical Hebrew Studies: Luxembourgish, Dutch, Greek, Italian | Message 222 of 315 20 September 2009 at 10:04pm | IP Logged | ||
Exactement. Une grand parti de mon boulot comme contrôleur des comptes est de trouver erreurs ;) J'ai un autre question. En Français et Italien, il y a un temps littéraire (passé simple en français et passato remoto en italien) mais il n'y a pas un tel temps en Espagnol. Y'a t-il un temps littéraire dans les autres langues romanes? Edited by JW on 20 September 2009 at 10:06pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Iversen Super Polyglot Moderator Denmark berejst.dk Joined 6687 days ago 9078 posts - 16473 votes Speaks: Danish*, French, English, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Dutch, Swedish, Esperanto, Romanian, Catalan Studies: Afrikaans, Greek, Norwegian, Russian, Serbian, Icelandic, Latin, Irish, Lowland Scots, Indonesian, Polish, Croatian Personal Language Map | Message 223 of 315 21 September 2009 at 12:20am | IP Logged | ||
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La forma de pasado simple o 'indefinido' tiene una tendencia general a desaparecer de la lengua hablada in las lenguas romanicas. Pero en español y portugués este desarrollo no está tan avanzada como nel resto de los idiomas, y en consecuencia se puede en estos idiomas sin consecuencias utilizar el 'indefinido' en el lenguaje hablado. Al contrario el futuro del subjuntivo se podría considerar como forma literar. Edited by Iversen on 21 September 2009 at 1:19pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| rggg Heptaglot Senior Member Mexico Joined 6309 days ago 373 posts - 426 votes Speaks: Spanish*, English, French, Italian, Portuguese, Indonesian, Malay Studies: Romanian, Catalan, Greek, German, Swedish | Message 224 of 315 21 September 2009 at 12:36am | IP Logged | ||
JW wrote:
In Portoghese .- Non che io sappia. In Rumeno .- Neanche. In Catalano (Non Valenziano).- C'è il "pretèrit perfet simple", quasi non é usato nella lingua parlata, ma soltanto nella scritta. Ciao!!! 1 person has voted this message useful |
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