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| Марк Senior Member Russian Federation Joined 5054 days ago 2096 posts - 2972 votes  Speaks: Russian* | Message 225 of 586 29 December 2012 at 6:07pm | IP Logged | |||||
I'll vote for this message, I really liked your idea. In fact, those words are not feminine, they are masculine nouns of the first declension. There is nothing unusual in it, it exists in other Indo-European languages: compare with Latin nauta, incola, agricola, Catilina. I think the same was true for the Proto-Germanic language as well. There are 10 words on (is it the correct preposition?) мя: время, имя, пламя и т. д. They are neutre but ressemble the third declension. The word путь is masculine but is declined like a third declension word in the standart language. There were much more words like that in the Old Russian: день, голубь and others. But then they bacame second declension nouns due to their gender. Several words changed their gender to the feminine one in order to stay (or to remain?) in the third declension: печать, степень. So, you confused genders and declensions. The fact that Russian is a masculine language is a discovery too. Could you give some arguments for that? The word папа means just father in most cases, as well as мама means mother. Edited by Марк on 29 December 2012 at 7:34pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| mrwarper Diglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member Spain forum_posts.asp?TID=Registered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5224 days ago 1493 posts - 2500 votes Speaks: Spanish*, EnglishC2 Studies: German, Russian, Japanese | Message 226 of 586 30 December 2012 at 3:57am | IP Logged | |||||
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Hi buddies,
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| Solfrid Cristin Heptaglot Winner TAC 2011 & 2012 Senior Member Norway Joined 5332 days ago 4143 posts - 8864 votes Speaks: Norwegian*, Spanish, Swedish, French, English, German, Italian Studies: Russian | Message 227 of 586 30 December 2012 at 10:18am | IP Logged | |||||
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@Mark: Thank you so much. I knew you would set me straight if I had misunderstood anything, and thank
you for doing it in such a kind way. You are of course absolutely right: The nouns are still masculine, even though they look like a feminine word, and follow the feminine pattern. The good thing about making that mistake, is that now I am unlikely to ever forget that one, as will probably no one else on the team. When you say that Папа just means father, does that mean that it is just as formal as отец ? You see we have the word pappa in Norwegian as well, but by adults it is used only when you speak directly to that person. If you talk about someone only children would use pappa, adults would use far (father). It corresponds to daddy/father in English which in my head has two different levels of formality. Is that then not the case in Russian? As for the masculinity of Russian I am afraid I have only my gut feeling and impression of the language. :-) Edited by Solfrid Cristin on 30 December 2012 at 11:46am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Марк Senior Member Russian Federation Joined 5054 days ago 2096 posts - 2972 votes Speaks: Russian* | Message 228 of 586 30 December 2012 at 10:33am | IP Logged | |||||
The words отец and мать are very formal. In everyday speech we say папа and мама. It is used by children and adults referring to anyone's father and mother. So, it's not like in English or Norwegian. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Solfrid Cristin Heptaglot Winner TAC 2011 & 2012 Senior Member Norway Joined 5332 days ago 4143 posts - 8864 votes Speaks: Norwegian*, Spanish, Swedish, French, English, German, Italian Studies: Russian | Message 229 of 586 30 December 2012 at 10:46am | IP Logged | |||||
Ok. So you still have two different levels of formality, but in Russian the most formal word kicks in much later. Could you give us an example of when the formal words would be used? For instance if I was writing a text about a famous politician or writer and I wanted to speak about his father, would I then use the formal word? 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Марк Senior Member Russian Federation Joined 5054 days ago 2096 posts - 2972 votes Speaks: Russian* | Message 230 of 586 30 December 2012 at 10:54am | IP Logged | |||||
Yes, you would. Or in documents we always write отец и мать. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| aloysius Triglot Winner TAC 2010 & 2012 Senior Member SwedenRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6238 days ago 226 posts - 291 votes Speaks: Swedish*, English, German Studies: French, Greek, Italian, Russian | Message 231 of 586 31 December 2012 at 4:25pm | IP Logged | |||||
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A Happy New Language Learning Year to all members of team Mir!
It's really wonderful that so many kosmonauts from Team Sputnik have reassembled here and it's also quite exciting to see them joined by a whole bunch of enthusiastic new members. My history with Russian goes a few years back now but progress has been very slow, mainly because of irregular study habits. Russian is demanding and time-consuming if you're mostly used to studying Germanic and Romance languages but I've never thought of it as boring and I've never lost my fascination for it. I'm not sure how to estimate my current level. I finally made it through the passive phase of Russish ohne Mühe six months ago, but I've forgotten a lot since then and need to go through it again. And my active skills are practically non-existent. My priority for this TAC, however, is to start reading native texts. This is a daunting task, but I will combine different approaches such as Listening-Reading with intensive and extensive reading. And although the number of unknown words on an average Russian book page may inspire feelings of hopelessness I mustn't forget that I've made it over other thresholds in the past. Such as being at all able to read along in the Cyrillic script while listening to the audio. Or even making use of a parallel text because I didn't know enough of Russian morphology to connect the words without a dictionary. Will I finally be visiting Russia in 2013? It would certainly be an interesting experience and a great motivator for learning the language. I have no concrete plans yet but a long week-end in S:t Petersburg or Moscow should certainly be possible – after all the distance from Stockholm is shorter to Moscow than what it is to London! And hopefully I could make a longer stay some time in 2014. Here's my new log. //aloysius 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Solfrid Cristin Heptaglot Winner TAC 2011 & 2012 Senior Member Norway Joined 5332 days ago 4143 posts - 8864 votes Speaks: Norwegian*, Spanish, Swedish, French, English, German, Italian Studies: Russian | Message 232 of 586 31 December 2012 at 4:41pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Great to see you again, double team mate aloysius! I look forward to fighting both the Russian and the Greek monster at your side, and come out victorious at the end of the year!
And perhaps we should make a long week-end in St. Petersburg or Moscow in 2013 a team goal? Would that be cool or what! I have added your log on the first page, so now there is just 6 to go - if anyone has made a log and forgotten to tell me, or I have failed to notice, then let me know at once! And a Happy New Year to you all! In exactly 20 minutes, it is one year since we had our first Skype session, and I look forward to starting up on team Mir. GO TEAM MIR!!!! 1 person has voted this message useful |
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