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koffiegast
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 Message 41 of 509
13 December 2009 at 11:07pm | IP Logged 
carlonove wrote:
FAQ-NL: Am I wrong, or is "het" meaning "it" sometimes pronounced as "net" when it follows an -e?

I both read and heard the phrase "legde het op zijn knie" and it sounds a lot like "ledge net op zijn knie" spoken quickly. I think I've heard the het->net phenomenon other times when it's preceeded by verbs with the -de ending. Thanks,

--carlonove


I don't think it is pronounced net, ever. Other pronunciations of 'het' may be dropping the h -> 'et'.
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 Message 42 of 509
13 December 2009 at 11:35pm | IP Logged 
carlonove wrote:
FAQ-NL: Am I wrong, or is "het" meaning "it" sometimes pronounced as "net" when it follows an -e?

I both read and heard the phrase "legde het op zijn knie" and it sounds a lot like "ledge net op zijn knie" spoken quickly. I think I've heard the het->net phenomenon other times when it's preceeded by verbs with the -de ending. Thanks,

--carlonove


It is not pronounced as 'net'.

In Flanders we often say eg. 'hij legden et op zen knie'. This is very informal and is not standard Dutch, but a part of the Flemish dialect. You do hear a 'n', which comes from the previous word. And because the 'h' from 'het' drops, you do hear the 'n' very clearly. You might even think 'het' is pronounced as 'net'.
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 Message 43 of 509
14 December 2009 at 9:38pm | IP Logged 
I can see why you'd prefer the -n- to belong to the word preceding "het". I don't think that necessarily has to be the case. The h- from "het" is dropped in connected speech. In my ipinion the -n- is a connection between "legde" and "het", whereby the -n- does not belong to any of the two words. The phase becomes something like "legde-n-et op zijn knie".

Note that in a lot of instances this will become "legdu-n-ut" instead of "legde-n-et"

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 Message 44 of 509
15 December 2009 at 10:05am | IP Logged 
Question: Pronouncing " 's ". As in the remnant of des. I've only ever experienced it in writting, such as 's Nachts, 's
Avonds etc. But when saying this, do you still say "des", or simply articulate an s?

Dank jullie wel vooraf
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 Message 45 of 509
15 December 2009 at 11:38am | IP Logged 
You simply articulate an S. In a poem or speaking very special you could say "des morgens, als de zon verschijnt
..." Normaliter you never use "des".
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 Message 46 of 509
16 December 2009 at 5:33pm | IP Logged 
FAQ-NL: Do 'elkaar' and 'mekaar' have the same meaning?

It seems like elkaar is much more common, but to me, they both appear to have the same meaning. Are they used somewhat differently?

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 Message 47 of 509
16 December 2009 at 6:24pm | IP Logged 
Vos wrote:
Question: Pronouncing " 's ". As in the remnant of des. I've only ever experienced it in writting, such as 's Nachts, 's Avonds etc. But when saying this, do you still say "des", or simply articulate an s?

Dank jullie wel vooraf


The old-fashioned forms like "des avonds" aren't used anymore in spoken (and written) Dutch. So you pronounce:

s' avonds as "savonds"
s' ochtends as "sochtends".

Fasulye

Edited by Fasulye on 16 December 2009 at 9:47pm

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 Message 48 of 509
16 December 2009 at 6:58pm | IP Logged 
tommus wrote:
FAQ-NL: Do 'elkaar' and 'mekaar' have the same meaning?


They mean exactly the same.

"Zij houden van elkaar."
"Zij houden van mekaar."

I'd give a slight preference to 'elkaar'.



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