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| druckfehler Triglot Senior Member Germany Joined 4662 days ago 1181 posts - 1912 votes  Speaks: German*, EnglishC2, Korean Studies: Persian | Message 89 of 457 31 December 2012 at 3:05pm | IP Logged | |||||
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I fixed it appropriately :) Looks rather different, from what I can see. Is there a lot of variation depending on the gender of the speaker in Thai? I remember having a hard time with that when I was studying Hebrew.
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| Bakunin Diglot Senior Member Switzerland outerkhmer.blogspot. Joined 4924 days ago 531 posts - 1126 votes Speaks: German*, Thai Studies: Khmer | Message 90 of 457 31 December 2012 at 3:41pm | IP Logged | |||||
Ha ha, looks quite the same to me. Same same, but different. Gender specific variation is restricted mainly to politeness particles and personal pronouns, but since those words are quite frequent, the gender is almost always obvious. I remember watching one lengthy interview with someone who's biological gender I couldn't figure out; this person really could have been a man or a woman, and he or she didn't use those politeness particles at all. Not a single one (which is very unusual, to say the least, in particular in formal settings like an interview). I found it very confusing, because gender is such an in-your-face thing in Thai usually. Anyway, I'm glad you've got the appropriate version up, and thanks again for making us Thai learners so welcome here! :) 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Warp3 Senior Member United States forum_posts.asp?TID= Joined 5329 days ago 1419 posts - 1766 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish, Korean, Japanese | Message 91 of 457 01 January 2013 at 1:11am | IP Logged | |||||
That's one of the things I've found interesting about Korean. Often a sentence in Korean contains far more information than the English translation since the choice of wording gives additional details about the speaker and/or the speaker's relationship with the listener. Some relationship terms in Korean, for example, can not only tell you the gender of the speaker, but also the gender of the person to whom they are speaking and the rough age difference between the two (all from a single word). 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Leurre Bilingual Pentaglot Senior Member United StatesRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5219 days ago 219 posts - 372 votes Speaks: French*, English*, Korean, Haitian Creole, SpanishC2 Studies: Japanese | Message 92 of 457 01 January 2013 at 1:51am | IP Logged | |||||
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Hi all!
So as druckfehler mentioned on the last page, I'm the newest member of the team! I'm studying Japanese and Korean this year, but I've studied Korean for a rather long time (5 yearsish), and I think I can bring some further insight into those either just getting started or those around a more intermediate level! So I hope to be able to give some cool advice, correct some stuff all while getting good book recommendations in Korean from people! 잘 부탁드리겠습니다! I will be starting my language learning log for this TAC in the next day. There will be two components to the log: 1. Me and Japanese: I'm a high beginner in Japanese and looking to make some substantial progress this year. I'll be participating in group activities/challenges with Japanese 2. Korean learning related: If you have any questions or observations about your Korean learning or want to share a breakthrough, or if you want to share/ask anything related to both language and culture, then feel free to do it in my log! A short introduction to myself and both Korean and Japanese. I started studying Korean in 2007 as a freshman in college. I've been studying pretty much every day since, and I've tried lots of different methods. There is no horn tooting here, but I'm rather okay at the language after all this time, and so that's how I find myself as a 'godfather' studying alongside you guys! I don't really know why I first started learning Korean, but that's not really all that important now. I got to live in Korea for a total of two years over these past five, studying and working in international development cooperation. I've traveled quite a bit in the country as well, though of course I know the place I've stayed the longest time in (Seoul) the best. There's something about Korean for me that borders on a drug. Only a cheap and accessible drug that doesn't destroy your body or give you any lows, but constantly leaves you yearning for a new high. So this year for Korean I'm pursuing that high, with the plan of eventually returning to Korea and finding employment that is in line with my career interests. As for Japanese, I think it started as a comparative advantage thing: I'm sure those of you who have learned Japanese and then go on to Korean know what I mean! My interest in Japan comes less from the culture, of which I admit I am not so knowledgeable, and more from the people. Studying in Korea I had the opportunity to meet lots of Japanese people, and I made good friends with a few of them... how great would it be to talk to them in Japanese! After a while I realize that I don't need much of a reason to do anything with regards to language learning. I'm going with what pleases my senses, and then after that opportunities will open themselves up! I'd call myself a high beginner in Japanese: I've taken about 5 months of classes at a 학원 in 서울, and now I'm studying with the help of a tutor twice a week. I'm looking to get to somewhere between the N3 and N2 levels by the end of the year. More specifics on this to follow in my log! So thanks all, nice to be here and to be able to help out if needed! 한 해 동안 좀 분발하고 서로의 노력에 힘입어 성공적인 공부를 할 수 있도록.. 에이 몰라 ㅋ 즐겁게, 제대로 한 번 해보자! 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| iawia Bilingual Pentaglot Newbie Taiwan Joined 4383 days ago 35 posts - 55 votes Speaks: EnglishC2, Mandarin*, Taiwanese*, Cantonese, Spanish Studies: Thai, Japanese | Message 93 of 457 01 January 2013 at 6:33am | IP Logged | |||||
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Hello, I'm IAWIA, quite new to this forum, and I'm happy to join Team鶴 in my language
learning journey. Anyway, for those who want to know me more: I'm a native Chinese Mandarin and Taiwanese speaker from Taiwan, where we use traditional Chinese. During my years in junior and senior high, I was exposed to Classical Chinese, or so called 文言文. However, unlike Latin or Ancient Greek, classical Chinese spans over an era of some thousand years, and there are various kinds of articles throughout the ages, so I can not say I am an expert of Classical Chinese. I first learned Spanish as my second foreign language after English, and I'm learning it to this day. I think I am at a B1-B2 level, (I'm a bit confused about my profile saying that I "speak" it), and I'm in the process of enjoying native and authentic material! During my stages of wanderlust, I dabbled in Arabic, French, German and Indonesian. However, these attempts failed, and I had some success in Cantonese and Thai. I learned Cantonese based on a natural approach, watching Cantonese drama, movies and listening to songs, and thanks to my background, I reached a basic fluent level. I have learned Thai for a little more than an year, and I was fascinated with the country and the language, so I continued studying until this day. Since Thai and Chinese dialects share many similar characteristics, I enjoyed some benefits when I was studying this language. Last, I began my Japanese studies half an year ago. Again...Chinese IS GREATLY BENEFICIAL! I knew most kanji without needing to learn them, so focusing on grammar is my primary objective in Japanese now. I LOVE learning languages, and I aspire to know many, many more languages. Here is my learning log, if you're interested: http://how-to-learn-any-language.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?T ID=34778&PN=2 Again, I'm happy to be on this team and to share with you the beauty and richness of the Chinese language. I don't really deserve the status of Godfather, but I will try to help the way a native speaker could. THANKS! Good luck on your studies! 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| vermillon Triglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4472 days ago 602 posts - 1042 votes Speaks: French*, EnglishC2, Mandarin Studies: Japanese, German | Message 94 of 457 01 January 2013 at 10:08am | IP Logged | |||||
Ah! Sorry to contradict, but it's "like" rather than "unlike". Latin has been used for over two millenia throughout Europe in the same fashion as Classical Chinese has been. But Happy new year nonetheless :) 3 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| iawia Bilingual Pentaglot Newbie Taiwan Joined 4383 days ago 35 posts - 55 votes Speaks: EnglishC2, Mandarin*, Taiwanese*, Cantonese, Spanish Studies: Thai, Japanese | Message 95 of 457 01 January 2013 at 10:48am | IP Logged | |||||
Well, what I meant was that Latin ceased to be used as a common tongue but continued to be used by clergy, scholars and the well educated, more or less retaining the language of the Roman empire. While at the same time, classical Chinese, or to be more precise literary Chinese underwent many changes throughout the Han, Tang and Sung dynasties, evolving with time. And yes, the texts of Classical Chinese of the earlier dynasties were studied by scholars, in fact they were obligatory subjects for those aspiring a government post. In this sense, it is similar to Latin. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| druckfehler Triglot Senior Member Germany Joined 4662 days ago 1181 posts - 1912 votes Speaks: German*, EnglishC2, Korean Studies: Persian | Message 96 of 457 01 January 2013 at 12:59pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Beginning of the TAC 2013!
Happy New Year everyone! 새해 복 많이 받으세요 明けましておめでとう 新年快乐 สวัสดีปีใหม่ It's finally time to spread our wings and take off! (Excuse the cheesy metaphor. Now that we're officially cranes, nothing will stop me from overusing it :D) First of all, welcome to our latest new team members and godfathers! Bakunin, maurelio1234, Crush, iawia, picnick and Leurre, I'm glad to see you join us. From reading everyone's introduction and logs (where available) I think we have a really great Asian team this year and will probably have a lot of fun studying together. All personal study logs I could find are linked. Make sure to read your team mates' logs regularly and comment - the TAC can be a long and lonely journey without the support and encouragement of the team. I have finally gotten around to updating the "Rules and Organisation" section of the first post. I hope that I have gauged the general opinion correctly and you're all fine with what I've written. If not it's no biggie, we can still discuss the points. Good luck to everyone! May we all have a successful year! Edited by druckfehler on 01 January 2013 at 1:00pm 1 person has voted this message useful |
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