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| HTale Bilingual Diglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 6375 days ago 164 posts - 167 votes  Speaks: English*, Arabic (Written)* Studies: French | Message 161 of 489 25 July 2007 at 2:34pm | IP Logged | ||
Nor will it ever be, I guess. The beauty of learning a language is that someone can take a beaten path or pave their own, and almost always reach the same destination: fluency. The condition in which you arrive in is another question altogether. Edited by HTale on 25 July 2007 at 2:35pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
 Iversen Super Polyglot Moderator Denmark berejst.dk Joined 6700 days ago 9078 posts - 16473 votes Speaks: Danish*, French, English, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Dutch, Swedish, Esperanto, Romanian, Catalan Studies: Afrikaans, Greek, Norwegian, Russian, Serbian, Icelandic, Latin, Irish, Lowland Scots, Indonesian, Polish, Croatian Personal Language Map | Message 162 of 489 25 July 2007 at 6:23pm | IP Logged | ||
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I have learnt two things from this thread.
The most unexpected is how easy it is to follow the reading of a text in a totally unknown language, if you just have a fairly literal translation. I have for some times used this technique with Greek and Russian (it has no meaning to do it with languages where you already understand almost everything), though not for as long time as intended by siomotteikiru. Today I tried to do the same thing with a couple of Persian texts from the GLOSS collection, and yes, it is possible to follow somebody speaking a totally unknown language, just with intonation, the word Esfahan and a few guesses as a help. But I still feel that it helps to know a fair number of words and some grammar beforehand. The other thing I have learnt is that it is both fun and easy (but time-consuming) to construct interlaced bilingual texts, using the technique I proposed earlier in this thread. You can't make the separations inside sentences unless you already know quite a bit of both languages, but you certainly don't have to be an expert. And because you have to compare the two versions all the time you do in fact learn a lot during the process. So even if I don't follow the five steps laid down by siomotteikiru her method has certainly had an impact on my study habits, and that's no mean feat. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Zhuangzi Nonaglot Language Program Publisher Senior Member Canada lingq.com Joined 7025 days ago 646 posts - 688 votes Speaks: English*, French, Japanese, Swedish, Mandarin, Cantonese, German, Italian, Spanish Studies: Russian | Message 163 of 489 25 July 2007 at 11:29pm | IP Logged | ||
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Iversen,
The test of different ways of learning is how long you continue to find them useful.Initial enthusiasm can sometimes peter out as one finds little return in terms of learning. I tried interlaced bilingual texts for easy Russian content when I started Russian. I eventually found them annoying and discontinued. On the other hand listening to one language and reading in another is something I am continuing to enjoy. To each his own (or her own). 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| siomotteikiru Senior Member Zaire Joined 6358 days ago 102 posts - 242 votes | Message 164 of 489 25 July 2007 at 11:36pm | IP Logged | ||
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More on "listening-reading" and learning in:
www.stultorum.pochta.ru\aaaa\!siomotteikiru_Phi-Staszek_List ening-reading_The gist_in_Polish.7z If you don't know Polish, hak ci w smak. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Zhuangzi Nonaglot Language Program Publisher Senior Member Canada lingq.com Joined 7025 days ago 646 posts - 688 votes Speaks: English*, French, Japanese, Swedish, Mandarin, Cantonese, German, Italian, Spanish Studies: Russian | Message 165 of 489 26 July 2007 at 1:31am | IP Logged | ||
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After 80 pages of "listening-reading" to Anna Karenina, I find I prefer to read and listen separately.
I think this "listening-reading" strategy, for me at least, is a means to get into a new book, or perhaps to get into a new language. In the long run when I sit down to dedicate myself to the language I prefer to read in the language, either on the computer if there are a lot of unknown words, or from a book, if I can. Otherwise I listen when I am on the move and doing something else. And I listen often, repetitively, if I am still not confident in the language. By the way, has anyone had experience with scanning pens to look up words when reading from a book, and then to upload them to a computer later. Do you know of any that work for Russian? 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| siomotteikiru Senior Member Zaire Joined 6358 days ago 102 posts - 242 votes | Message 166 of 489 26 July 2007 at 1:46am | IP Logged | ||
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Why I think teachers are crooks:
A. S. Neill The New Summerhill edited by Albert Lamb Allan Bloom THE CLOSING OF THE AMERICAN MIND How Higher Education Has Failed Democracy and Impoverished the Souls of Today's Students Glenn Doman Jennet Doman HOW TO TEACH YOUR BABY TO READ Silent Revolution www.stultorum.pochta.ru\aaaa\How_to_teach002.jpg www.stultorum.pochta.ru\aaaa\A_teacher_For_Phi-Staszek.JPG Some parallel texts: www.stultorum.pochta.ru\aaaa\Andersen_The_Little_Mermaid_Eng _Spanish_German_Polish.7z www.stultorum.pochta.ru\aaaa\Russell_Bertrand_The_Problems_o f_Philosophy_Eng-French.7z There should be no spaces in the links above. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| siomotteikiru Senior Member Zaire Joined 6358 days ago 102 posts - 242 votes | Message 167 of 489 26 July 2007 at 2:03am | IP Logged | ||
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When you’ve come to the stage of „natural listening” to fairly difficult novels, “listening-reading” is no longer necessary.
“Listening-reading” is for LEARNING a language, not using it. When you read without first mastering the proper pronunciation of the foreign language, you’ll pronounce words and sentences in your native way. That is exactly the case with Zhuangzi’s Russian – I listened to his vid on YouTube. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Volte Tetraglot Senior Member Switzerland Joined 6436 days ago 4474 posts - 6726 votes Speaks: English*, Esperanto, German, Italian Studies: French, Finnish, Mandarin, Japanese | Message 168 of 489 26 July 2007 at 2:56am | IP Logged | ||
I'd add John Taylor Gatto's "The Underground History of American Education" to that list.. Links made clickable: www.stultorum.pochta.ru\aaaa\How_to_teach002.jpg www.stultorum.pochta.ru\aaaa\A_teacher_For_Phi-Staszek.JPG www.stultorum.pochta.ru\aaaa\Andersen_The_Little_Mermaid_Eng _Spanish_German_Polish.7z www.stultorum.pochta.ru\aaaa\Russell_Bertrand_The_Problems_o f_Philosophy_Eng-French.7z 1 person has voted this message useful |
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