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vanityx3
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 Message 425 of 489
30 January 2008 at 2:10pm | IP Logged 
michau wrote:
Zhuangzi wrote:
For me, listening to the target language and reading in my own language is like work and it causes my brain to wander, the native language is a distraction.


Try using a language other than your native one. I do L-R by listening to Mandarin and reading in English, so any improvement in my English is a bonus.


Good idea. I'm liking the L-R method. A reason why I particularly don't get distracted by my native language is that I get really wrapped up into the story. I think it really is starting to help for me, but I still have a lot of work too.


Also, I do agree with some of what Steve says though, about finding joy in reading a book in it's original. Some books I wouldn't want to do L-R with only because I want to read them in the original French without ever having read them in another language first. L'├ętranger and Madame Bovary are a few books I'd only want to read in French.
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atamagaii
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 Message 426 of 489
30 January 2008 at 2:12pm | IP Logged 
To leserables:
XYZ-language-Polish texts are meant for Polish learners of XYZ-language. Some of them are recorded in Polish, too. You can find them using p2p.

To Serpent:
You might be a not fast enough reader. For L-R to be effective you must be able to read pretty quickly, it should be natural like breathing.

Edited by atamagaii on 30 January 2008 at 2:13pm

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michau
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 Message 427 of 489
30 January 2008 at 2:56pm | IP Logged 
leserables wrote:
The same applies to all the other Polish-something offerings, no Polish audio, no Polish Listening-Reading. I'd really need it, and I think Serpent would too.


Try here:
http://www.google.com/search?q=audiobooki
http://www.google.com/search?q=ksi%C4%85%C5%BCki+audio

Apparently links lead mostly to paid audiobooks, but the prices seem not too high.
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michau
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 Message 428 of 489
30 January 2008 at 3:00pm | IP Logged 
Serpent wrote:
It makes no difference in what language I'm reading. listening and reading in the same language is as tiresome for me :/


Maybe Atamagaii is right. For sure speed of audio shouldn't be faster than speed of your reading. You can try slowing down audio a bit, using Audacity or something similar.
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slucido
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 Message 429 of 489
30 January 2008 at 3:15pm | IP Logged 
I agree with Zuanghi. I have worked listening and reading in L2. I think doing this for 3 or 7 days, 10 hours every day, is better. I am a believer in:

1-Reading (L2), listening (L2)

2-Listening (L2)

But I can not use earphones (ipods) more than 30 min (headache, ear pain).

Maybe for beginners is better listening (L1), listening (L2).

On the other hand, I tried this for 2 hours every day without problems.






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atamagaii
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 Message 430 of 489
30 January 2008 at 3:15pm | IP Logged 
vanityx3 wrote:
   Some books I wouldn't want to do L-R with only because I want to read them in the original French without ever having read them in another language first. L'├ętranger and Madame Bovary are a few books I'd only want to read in French.


You might try to only listen to them as well. L'├ętranger is wonderfully read by Camus himself. Madame Bovary is much more complictated.

By the way, I've made parallel French-Polish texts of both books, if somebody's interested.
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leosmith
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 Message 431 of 489
31 January 2008 at 2:06am | IP Logged 
slucido wrote:
I agree with Zuanghi. I have worked listening and reading in L2. I think doing this for 3 or 7 days, 10 hours every day, is better. I am a believer in:

1-Reading (L2), listening (L2)

2-Listening (L2)

But I can not use earphones (ipods) more than 30 min (headache, ear pain).

Maybe for beginners is better listening (L1), listening (L2).

On the other hand, I tried this for 2 hours every day without problems.

I agree with slucido and Zuanghi. Reading L1 while listening to L2 is painful. And I didn't see any improvement in vocabulary; not even 1 word. I think I know why this is now. Reading L1 while listening to L2, over and over, would work something like a flashcard review for most. But I'm not like most. I'm highly defficient in learning words just from conversation. I need to take things out of context and drill them for a few days. Then I'm just fine. So maybe, while reading L1 and listening to L2, because there isn't a word for word translation like I use for flashcards, it's an ineffective method for me.

So I think a person will benefit greatly from this method, if she doesn't get too bored with it, and if she is not one of those rare individuals who has to take all vocab out of context in order to learn it.
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atamagaii
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 Message 432 of 489
31 January 2008 at 2:54am | IP Logged 
To leosmith

On learning styles.


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